Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Alklios]

"Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick"

And as raised, you need to have earned the reward to have lost it to begin with. You didn't finish the duty regardless of the circumstances, so you didn't have anything to lose thus there is nothing to refund. You were rewarded for the work you did up to the point of kick, so any tomes from previous bosses, loot drops, gil etc, because that's all you earned and deserved.

"Wrongful use of kick" also doesn't exist unless a GM has proven otherwise. Kick is available for any reason and no one has any obligation to explain it to the person who is kicked. The GM will decide if you or whoever is the victim or not, otherwise anyone could just cry wolf whenever they wanted.

We still don't get the tomes earned for bosses already completed as even those are stripped after a vote kick.

I think a good compromise would be to at minimal keep tomes earned from bosses completed so it doesn't feel as miserable having to climb back on top of a rock being rewarded 0.

To your latter statement, it's agreed fully which is why in my first post I said that it would be naturally GM's discretion, even -after- they've decided foul play against you. IDK why so many people think I was asking for immediate reimbursement upon clicking the report button.


You also helped me think of something to suggest in another thread: Lowering the completion bonus and raising base tomes awarded so we can grind out tomes easier earlier in week and encourage us to do other roulettes that don't pale in comparison to phanta/goetia tomes. Thank you for your input.

[Lambdafish]

We still don't get the tomes earned for bosses already completed as even those are stripped after a vote kick.

This is not true. Any items that you get in a dungeon (including currency) are put into your inventory, they aren't tied to the duty.

As for the rest of the thread, you sound extremely entitled. You had a bad dungeon run, get over it, everyone had had bad dungeon runs with crappy people, and this may result in things getting toxic. You lost maybe 20 minutes of your life and still gained the rewards for the part of the dungeon that you did. Move on and hope for better parties. Tomestones aren't hard to get, do a hunt train or some maps to supplement your roulettes, and you will see how easy tomes are to get.

Essentially this has blown up into a 7-page thread over a tantrum.

[Lambdafish]

To those that spoke you can just simply re-q, consider the common situation I already detailed: DPS in queue for near close to half hour for an alliance raid that is new in 5.X patch.

Tomestones aren't hard to get, do a hunt train or some maps to supplement your roulettes, and you will see how easy tomes are to get.

I'll reiterate...

[Alklios]

I'll reiterate...

I'll reiterate. You don't get alliance raids coins for hunt trains and roulettes as is spelled out in the sentence after. Tomestones aren't the only currency that can be taken away. Alliance raid coins and even gear drops. A problem since the dawn of LFG is premades booting players before an upcoming desired drop, for example. Another example that requires some coverage.

[Mavrias]

I'll reiterate. You don't get alliance raids coins for hunt trains and roulettes as is spelled out in the sentence after. Tomestones aren't the only currency that can be taken away. Alliance raid coins and even gear drops. A problem since the dawn of LFG is premades booting players before an upcoming desired drop, for example. Another example that requires some coverage.

You dont lose gear that you won the lot for when youre kicked lmao. The coin is a completion reward. You no kill last boss? Then you no get completion reward.

[ForteNightshade]

I'll reiterate. You don't get alliance raids coins for hunt trains and roulettes as is spelled out in the sentence after. Tomestones aren't the only currency that can be taken away. Alliance raid coins and even gear drops. A problem since the dawn of LFG is premades booting players before an upcoming desired drop, for example. Another example that requires some coverage.

You can, however, buy those coins with poetics if need be. In fact, it's typically much faster since they're dirt cheap now and the game practically throws tomes at you. It's also worth noting i260 going into Stormblood and i390 going into Shadowbringers isn't that big of a deal. You can farm the second dungeon (Shisui and Don Meng, respectively) for better gear that has a guaranteed drop.

Whether or not -I- specifically deserved a kick is irrelevant to reimbursement needed for a rampant problem. Even if I were justified to be kicked 9 out of 10 times, the other one needs coverage and it's not just me but thousands of players suffering that a week. We need some coverage for toxic PvE that's weeded out my friend's list real thin. That's why I am suggesting this and only because of GM prompting.

You keep insisting this is some rampart issue yet constantly people in this very thread of voiced they could count the kicks they've received on a single hand. Frequent kicks do not happen... unless you're actually part of the problem. So if this is a routine occurrence for you, well it's a you problem then not a game one.

[Arcian]

Okay. Since you keep complaining about how we're not following The Rules to your liking, I'll just address the initial topic of your thread:

Your proposal sounds entitled and so do you.