Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[HyoMinPark]

Gonna ask one more time for folk to solely (per the forum rules) discuss, debate and pick apart the discussion title:
"Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick"

People have been discussing that. They disagree with your proposal, and have already listed the reasons why. You didn’t earn anything; there is nothing to reimburse. Implementing this system has room for abuse, which players have also outlined for you. If you are of the mind that people wouldn’t abuse it, you seriously underestimate how much human beings will cut corners and take the path of least resistance when it comes to things.

- An amount of highly active posters and players I can count on my fingers is not representative of the whole population. Naturally incidences of this problem will be far lessened for the behavior suggested that placates the aggressor. Perform a few google searches to see how rampant the kick system abuse is.

These are all anecdotes at the end of the day. You want to dismiss our anecdotes; we can easily dismiss the others that display this “rampant” abuse. Most are one-sided stories (much like yours) that no one aside from a GM can confirm or deny. That said, there have actually been quite a few threads on this very forum where someone came forth to cry about “vote kick abuse”—until the parties that dismissed them also appeared with chat log evidence that the poster wasn’t as innocent as they wanted to initially claim. So you should understand the hesitancy of some to take your dismissal as true abuse—especially when you don’t even provide any details of what occurred.

- If gross LFG toxicity is not considered in spite of the individual, perform the simple experiment of observing a player new to Labyrinth of the Ancients step on a pedastal in the Atomos fight and see how quickly they get lambasted or kicked.

Posting an anecdote here, but I’ve been playing this game for 4 years. I’ve never seen anyone kicked in LotA short of a disconnection—especially now where people just zergfest the content. At most, someone will say in Alliance chat, “B, pads please”. They rarely ever call a person out by name—they address the entire alliance. Which makes sense, since the pads are a 4-person job.

- This is the internet with broadly varying views. Taking it one step further to troll or deny someone work they've done with you is beyond reasonable. No matter how much it burns with fiery determination in the heart to seek vengeance against someone for taking a different stance than you, they don't deserve to be cut out of a reward you worked for together. Harassment is harassment. There is no ambiguity. I've seen it painted 1000 colors with my 5%, 1 in 20 some-odd retention rates of my friends I invite to play this game.

There is ambiguity when you don’t provide details of your own kick, yet continue to insist that it was “wrongful” AND use it as the primary defense for your proposal. As for the reward, you did not earn anything because you did not complete the duty. That is how rewards are given in this game—not for every boss, not halfway through the content. At the end upon duty completion.

This is not true. Any items that you get in a dungeon (including currency) are put into your inventory, they aren't tied to the duty.

You will earn and retain the gear drops. Tomestone rewards are not rewarded until you beat the final boss. If you are kicked prior to completing the dungeon, you do not earn the rewards.

You also helped me think of something to suggest in another thread: Lowering the completion bonus and raising base tomes awarded so we can grind out tomes easier earlier in week and encourage us to do other roulettes that don't pale in comparison to phanta/goetia tomes. Thank you for your input.

On this, other roulettes are more beneficial if one is leveling. But earning capped tomestones every week just requires one Expert Roulette for 5 days. Expert Roulette gives 90 capped tomes total—multiply by 5, and you have 450 tomes. Easy earnings; takes less than an hour each day. In addition, you can join Hunt trains that will cap you extremely fast. We really don’t need tomes to be any easier to obtain.