Lopsided reports?

[LeonDalmasca]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
But do you realize how dumb it is? It doesn't matter how badly used is a skill, unless you're ruining content, you shouldn't be banned for using any of your skill. Including rescue.

Edit: While without any doubt I won't interact with the community in game anymore as I've used to, that's just a really wrong thing and mindset to have.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

There's no mention of using rescue in a troll way. Yet it falls here after "researching it":
■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

In short, as I said on my "tip post" you can literally get offended even by a person digiting your name wrong and still report him and be considered as a nuisance, its all on how much it offended you. That's what GM cares about. It doesn't matter the gravity of the thing. You're gonna get 2 warning 10 day 20 day and perma. For how much banter it was I still did lowkey racism, yet a warning because that was my second time getting jailed. Now using rescue once, or twice if we count the accident one. Griefing or not, that's in no way a really bannable offense. I was using a skill but since he got offended, while arguably done worse and said very bad stuff, and I did not get offended by a 12 years old in internet I'm the only one getting punished here.

Edit N2. Since I didn't felt to make another post as this is the top of the page will still get visibility. I'm going to sleep and on the next week I'm going to camp in mountain for fun and without internet, since I can do it and I'm banned (unless the appeal work, but best case scenario they'll just reduce it to the 3 day in their "punishment escalation", which gonna just mean instead of 7 days i'll come back in 3.). Have a good days and remember to not do much, since if user A will feel insulted about what you just did he has all the rights to report you, and getting you punished. As enforced into Nuisance behaviour.

[KageTokage]

Virtually anything can be considered griefing if it's annoying somebody judging from the claims I've seen people making around here.

I think the proper thing to do there would've been to just vote kick the guy if he wasn't participating.

Not saying you deserved that punishment in the slightest, but it's still ill-advised to keep doing something that provokes someone with how touchy the GMs can be coupled with them being biased towards the reporter over the reportee.

[Enla]

Virtually anything can be considered griefing if it's annoying somebody judging from the claims I've seen people making around here.

I think the proper thing to do there would've been to just vote kick the guy if he wasn't participating.

Not saying you deserved that punishment in the slightest, but it's still ill-advised to keep doing something that provokes someone with how touchy the GMs can be coupled with them being biased towards the reporter over the reportee.

This. Heck, even here on the forums the GM's prioritize the reporter over the reportee. There's been at least two incidents during my time here, that I know of, where a rather vile poster was allowed to get away with utter nonsense but somehow managed to get a good chunk of the forum regulars banned for two weeks simple for disagreeing with them. Said poster however wasn't touched and their inflammatory thread was left alone until people just stopped adding fuel to the fire. Then there's a certain 'Gate' incident of which the first incident just made me lose a lot of respect for the GM's that administer the forums. (Second time it happened it was understandable as there had been a precedent set, first time there was none.)

Given how often it's happened, both in game and not, I have to wonder if it's just straight up company policy to only believe the initial reporter without going over the logs. Or if the initial reporter gets a pass so long as they are the first one seen. It honestly wouldn't surprise me. It certainly seems to be the case for the forums.

[HyoMinPark]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

No, what they’re saying is using a skill in a retaliatory manner is what’s punishable. You probably weren’t punished for the first one as it was an honest mistake on your part and no words had been passed between you and the opposing player—but when you did it again after the player in question had said something about it, the GMs could interpret your second Rescue as a retaliatory action. Especially if the player had told you not to Rescue them but you did it anyway. You should have just not responded to the insult. That’s what dustytome is saying.

[KageTokage]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue pestering.

Most MMOs I've played require someone to doggedly persistent about pestering somebody before it becomes actionable and for the offended to actually make it clear to the offender that it's bothering them. XIV on the other hand seems to love defending overly thin-skinned players who can't take so much as a single instance of perceived harassment before they report somebody.

[Dustytome]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue "harassment".

Most MMOs I've played require someone to doggedly persistent about pestering somebody before it becomes actionable.

I would agree with that, if the account didn't have marks against it already. He stated this wasn't his first time being reprimanded, it would be his third. If it were his first I think a warning would have been perfectly acceptable.

[KageTokage]

In that case, then yeah, that makes sense.

Though the strike system itself is flawed for the fact that you can potentially get permabanned for multiple slights over the course of several years due to them being permanent instead of temporary.

[HyoMinPark]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue pestering.

Most MMOs I've played require someone to doggedly persistent about pestering somebody before it becomes actionable and for the offended to actually make it clear to the offender that it's bothering them. XIV on the other hand seems to love defending overly thin-skinned players who can't take so much as a single instance of perceived harassment before they report somebody.

I suppose it would depend. If the opposing player had expressly asked them to not do it, and then they did it anyways—and if said player happened to be killed or something in the process—I could see the GMs acting upon that. Because it is harassment, and disruption of gameplay if the player was KO’d because of a Rescue. Not saying that that’s all what necessarily happened, but just giving an example of why punishment may be given.

That said, with the report in question, I would not be surprised if the other party was given a strike as well, since they used a derogatory term in chat towards LeonDalmasca. But we won’t ever know if this is the case. Since Leon already had prior marks on his account, that could have also influenced the GM’s decision to escalate the punishment.

[Lunavi]

It still seems a bit excessive for them to jail someone for a single instance of intentional Rescue pestering.

Why shouldn’t griefing be reportable? Isn’t that one of the textbook things to report someone for?

[Jybril]

So you're saying that using any skill randomly is a justified action on your account? I mean is it like that, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

Well since it was pointed out by Dusty...This was a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right".
You first pulled him accidentally, he retaliated and said stop, and you continued to poke the bear and that's what happened.
GM's saw the text of him telling you to stop and you didn't so the concluded that from there.

I hope you told the guy at first it was an accident so he knew that. That could have saved your skin, and you not
retaliating would too ultimately. You all should have kicked him and stuff right after the 1st R word tbh.
I'm not saying what he did was right, and I also hope you all reported him too but yeah...
Do try and be careful, 3 strikes already and you're probably cutting it close with a permaban here.