Lopsided reports?

[LeonDalmasca]

GM's in this game sides with the one that's "more special snowflake" between you and the other.
You can do a small thing that has no repercussion on the game but if that thing offends him, you can stay sure it will count as a strike and after a certain number of strikes you'll get jailed and have a punishment on their "escalation".
He can call you retard and other stuff, but since "you" are generally more mature let it flow because that's how mature people works. Ignore and move on.
A few days ago I was running MSQ with some of my static, it was late night, I was pretty bored, the WHM was afk. He wasn't close to the party, he wasn't casting stone, he wasn't healing, he was just there. He'd move after the party cleared that area and afk at the corner. I pulled him with rescue, was a missclick aimed to someone I was in discord with, but I had that whm selected to check if he was casting or doing anything. He called me a retard twice. I rescued him again. He called me retarded again, not once asking me to stop, but just straight up insulting me. We had a bit of a laugh on vocal "Interrupting his afk uptime", we left it, ignoring him. The fact that he called me, retard was not getting reported, maybe he wouldn't even get punished at all. But it makes me think that Two previous strike (One of them justified, the other less, one I got angry after a guy was playing the "I'm the perfect player" while his dps was below tanks and healer as BLM. The "less" was some bantering, "Oh wow i'll get to find out if frenchs are as bad as internet says!" on a French PF while i was on my "chaos holiday"). In all honesty, I don't think using rescue should get bannable if the person you use it on doesn't say a thing. Maybe there should be a "disable rescue use on me" option somewhere, since it is still valuable in savage and to ress people out of AoE, I.E. ressing someone in E3S drenching pools. And I don't feel guilty for it. I mean, I didn't even kill him he was being rude and got pulled from afk. Yet he probably spammed "reports" with very "angery and offended mood", and I got punished. (Skipping the 3 day ban in the "S.E. Punishment Escalation"). There's no "missing story", that's also why people in discord were a bit.. "WTF??" Since none of us had foreseen about this. I even jokingly said "Care i'm getting ban for pulling someone afk! can't be in tomorrow raid ahah".


In short, considering that I'm jumping on and off partys in NN and PF's that needs their "Clears", willed to help and explain stuff over and over. it doesn't matter if you're a dick or a person that helps other 99% of his time, if you will say A, and someone will get offended about it, you're gonna get punished. I learned my lesson, not gonna help anyone, talk or play with anyone outside discord friends, since anything like that could create an opportunity to me actually using the chat and that's something you want to avoid. The argument that goes "Just don't be a dick", its not worth. While I'm sure that is a good suggestion, it is simply not valid. It's enough even to say anything that you can get reported, because for them is enough that YOU are feeling offended, not if you ACTUALLY offended someone. Or in my case disrupted with that two rescue use.This last episode kind off shattered any will to get involved with people in game. Even if its not a "true answer to the topic of the thread", its just a tip. Don't use chat, don't get involved with anyone, don't do anything even remotely offensive even by mistake. Don't do mistakes as well and enjoy gposing, at least on that you don't have interaction so nobody can get offended by it even by accident. Just don't Gpose in limsa close to THAT catgirl that thinks that since you're in limsa you're there to watch her! or you're gonna get reported for stalking (That's kinda ironic, but happened to me though I did not get punished, was changing my hair but was very fought about it so i went in and out the inn and the boyfriend of that catgirl came to me asking to stop stalking his girlfriend that was sitting in the tables outside the limsa inn, not before to accuse me of RMT as well).


Just my two cents. Two cent of a very disappointed guy with a vow to never interact with anyone outside very few persons or discord contacts via pm/linkshell, in game at least.
Edit: I know what's coming, someone will put the usual "there's more of the story" or other stuff, like i happened to be on the other side of this. And would say the same thing, while I'm sure there's more on some people, but here there's not. The most arguing thing I ever answer to that whm was "Don't take it hard on yourself! We like you the way you are!". So this is more like a free-tipthan something open for discussion.

[Jybril]

GM's in this game sides with the one that's "more special snowflake" between you and the other.

I'm lost as to why you were banned.
Did you say anything to him at all?
I had to re-read like 3 times.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm lost as to why you were banned.
Did you say anything to him at all?
I had to re-read like 3 times.

Looks like they got a 10-day for using Rescue on someone that was AFK? That’s what I understood from just the screenshot’d chat.

[LeonDalmasca]

I'm lost as to why you were banned.
Did you say anything to him at all?
I had to re-read like 3 times.

You can read it 10 time more and there still not a good reason for my ban. To be honest.
I rescued a player that was "afk" by mistake, I was rescuing my static during roulettes for fun, during MSQ I found this WHM afking on it and i was like "watch this guy" with them, and when I went to try rescue someone from the static I had the whm selected . He got mad at me for it and called me retard so I did it again because of him calling me retard out of nowhere. That's all that happened. I appealed the ban, still no answer since it's weekend. But still, this gonna seriously make me not talking to anyone or do anything outside premade content with people I know.
My english is bad and I'm sorry if its somewhat hard. I'm still somewhat triggered from that.

Edit: About what I said to him, pretty much nothing aside to not be too hard on this since it was msq and that "we'd" like him the way he was with my best of lucks on reporting someone for rescuing twice one by mistake one after calling me retarded in MSQ. Aside that, nothing.

[Awha]

I'm lost as to why you were banned.
Did you say anything to him at all?
I had to re-read like 3 times.

I could see how using rescue on a player could be seen a griefing depending on the context SE sees within their logs, and the way the person framed the report. Nevertheless. the player that reported him must have have some thin skin, or the GM was having a bad day, since I have done much worse to players and I have never even spoken to a GM before, by worse I mean if people do that prolonged AFK and I am a healer I simply do not heal them the entire run, recuse them into things so they die etc . . .

His ban is just WTF even if you take into account his past strikes mistakes happen.

[MaraD_]

The way moderators handle issues like this, are no longer the same way they handled them years ago. (over 10 years)

The method they follow now is "The person who complains gets priority".
The reason for this, stems from research facebook found out, which is that when 2 people are upset with eachother, the one who complains, even if they were fully in the wrong, is more likely to leave the service.
(In this case, leaving facebook equates leaving FFXIV)

If there's truly 2 sides of the story, my suggestion is to report them as well when the situation happens. (not after being warned)
(From there if both sides did wrong, they tend to side with those they either agree with, or the side with the less complex version of the story)

[Dustytome]

He got mad at me for it and called me retard so I did it again because of him calling me retard out of nowhere.

This is where it turns from an accident into griefing. Do not retaliate, simply report them for being afk in the dungeon, the language they used and then go about your business as usual.

[Shougun]

Just wanted to add a personal experience where I reported a person who wasn't playing in PvP (ended with 0 0 0 0 stats, was there the entire time), and also was fanning flames and saying some fairly rude things. In the report I said that there was some heat thrown around too, but the purpose of the report was because they admitted in chat that they were actively leeching (no intention to play, just afk and get free exp).

When I was contacted by the GM they asked me if I had said anything to them before they investigate. I asked them if I should have and they said no they just wanted to make sure I wanted this to be investigated and if I had said something bad that I could be punished too.

So I just wanted to add that event for OP/thread, that they can punish the reporting person based on what they see in the logs. Though they're not going to tell you what they did to the person you reported (sometimes I imagine it's just a little note on the account for future GMs to reference when weighing the scales).

[LeonDalmasca]

This is where it turns from an accident into griefing. Do not retaliate, simply report them for being afk in the dungeon, the language they used and then go about your business as usual.

Even like this, using rescue without killing anyone, because target is far from the group by default. Would not still fall under the griefing. They gave this tool to healers to reposition the party they think in wrong positions. Why give them a tool if you can get banned by using it. Its like if you'd get banned to partner dance an healer/tank or dragon sight them.

[Dustytome]

Even like this, using rescue without killing anyone, because target is far from the group by default. Would not still fall under the griefing. They gave this tool to healers to reposition the party they think in wrong positions. Why give them a tool if you can get banned by using it. Its like if you'd get banned to partner dance an healer/tank or dragon sight them.

You just said in what I quoted before that the reason you did it was because of what they said. You did it specifically to bother them, knowing full well that it would. Again, do not retaliate, no matter how innocent you think it is and report them. The purpose of Rescue is in the name itself. It's there to remove someone from harm's way, not to make people your personal chess pieces. I'm not saying the other person didn't deserve to be reprimanded for signing up for group content and not participating, just pointing out the reason for actions taken against your account. It may not have been harmful, but the intent was to grief when you did it a second time.