Lopsided reports?

[Reinfeld]

My experience with this game is that GMs will just side with anyone who gets offended enough to make a report. My guess is that it's too hard to actually arbitrate and find blame or lack thereof in chat logs so company policy is just to discount anything the reporting party said or did and only look to see if you said something that they can ding you for. Either way, GMs are no different than any other over-the-phone customer service rep so I wouldn't expect much from them as arbiters of justice.

[BHolland]

[QUOTE=Sunoske;5184051]So I got pulled into GM prison today,

Cool story bruh..

[KageTokage]

Claims like this have taught me it's probably better to just not bother talking to someone who's getting aggressive/confrontational.

People can/will fish for reasons to report people.

[HyoMinPark]

Or perhaps you're putting words and ideals of what you would do, onto me? I've stated to simply ask if anyone had anything similar happen, if they know or feel something did, they will speak up, otherwise, what is you point?

I think what Lunavi is trying to explain is that you simply can’t gather accurate data on something like this because there’s no way for any of your participants to accurately report “Yes, I’ve dealt with a lopsided punishment before” or “No, I haven’t dealt with a lopsided punishment before”. GMs aren’t allowed to reveal whether or not other parties are punished when you submit a report, so how can one provide you “evidence” of reports that are treated unfairly or one-sidedly? There’s no accurate way to gather and quantify this data short of having access to GM records—and that’s something no player can give you. It is all mere conjecture, and conjecture isn’t fact.

[Rasikko]

I don't know if GMs do it in this game.. but in the past in FFXI, GMs would try to be mediators and actually try to settle things between 2 or more people.. sometimes whole HNMLSes. It was the really drastic things where you are sent straight to jail. While I've never personally been reported, or had to report anyone, I've talked with some concerning issues with my account and it was like I was talking to a relative x_x, kind of miss that.

[Elladie]

I'm very glad you all like to point out what I already did. I asked a simple question, as I'd like to personally see if it happens often for a specific reason. If you have no answer on if it happened to you or not that's fine however I already know all that you're spouting out, I'm not upset I know I said things in chat that got me in trouble. Think of it almost like an assignment for a statistics class. I'm just interested in the information. I know I can report someone if they upset me, can we move past that to the reason I posted please.

The answer to your question is that no one will know. It will always appear one-sided because the GMs can't discuss what may or may not have happened to the others involved. You were reported, the report was valid, you were warned. You will never know if the other side was also warned because the GMs aren't allowed to tell you

[Raven2014]

have you ever considered the possibility it's not the one you had an argument with, but it's a third party that report you? It can be that both you and the other players received an objective warning from a third view.

Usually when two people get into a fight they think it's just between the two of them, unaware that their action also affects the other players around them.

[Skivvy]

You've had your answer spelled out for you a few times, but you don't seem to like the answer and so you go on the attack.

* You did something that warranted reporting and punishment - this was doled out by the GM. You also agree it was deserved, so far we're all on the same page at this point.
* Because you already did the "bad", there is no reason for the GM to discuss they "why" of it all, aka, your side of the story. This is where your struggle seems to begin.
* GMs are not at liberty to discuss the dealings they have with other players. Perhaps they did read the full conversation log and found the other party to be complicit at well and pulled them into a gaol separately. Problem is you'll never know, neither will any one else that you're trying to solicit stories from.

From your OP, it just sounds like you want others to come forward and state that GMs wouldn't listen to their side either. If someone flies off the handle, regardless if they were provoked or not, they are the ones who lost control and broke ToS. The punishment you get if reported is warranted (again, you agreed on this). What more are you wanting people to say? Also, curious, but why should a GM have to listen to people hash out a defense when they have the proof of the ToS violation in their chat log?

[LalaRu]

"make justice" yourself is the worse thing you can do. Just report what happened and let GM check things.

In the past, myself got some bad-attitude-player that, after a feast pvp run, stalked me to express by tells how he were disappointed of my performance on the field. Did I replied back? No, sir. I blacklisted him and filed a report. That's all. Never heard of him again.

[Kelani]

It does seem like GM's in this game do not care about the context and just if a rule was broken. As an example in WoW I was reported for sending a MT regarding a player in the party and within that comment I did mention said player should go choke on their own bile among other things. Was venting with my guild while running the content with in the party. When the GM asked to speak with me they asked for my side and confirmed it by looking at the logs and saw that I was in fact having a conversation with my guild and even told me a time where they have done something similar and just told me to be more careful next time.

Now I cannot confirm if this counted as a warning towards my account, being as when I asked they said no action would be taken since it was an honest mistake and the person in question was not intended to see my comment in the first place. So they felt that no action needed be taken. If I were to do something like that here I probably would be rightfully punished, since my comment did break the rules end of story. I guess I prefer the more human aspect of WoW GM's in the past over the iron fist approach FFXIV GM's have.

Though for all I know they lied to me and I did get a strike on my account and they simply told me otherwise to prevent needless back and forth and end up wasting time of the GM fighting for something that was out of their control.

I too haven't had any experience with being reported in FFXIV but years ago, when I used to play Guild Wars, I had a run in with a very nasty character that said some nasty stuff to me. He/She basically continued to harass me throughout the mission we were doing and at the end, I put them on ignore and just moved on. However, someone else in the group actually felt sorry for me I think, because they reported him. The next thing I knew was a GM was contacting me and asking me if I was alright. They asked me to confirm what had happened and whether I wanted to take the report any further. Because I'd already moved on from the encounter I just said I'd put them on ignore and was fine with leaving it at that. I know not whether they were actually punished at all but it was nice of the GM to look up on me after another person had put in a report of the harassment.

I have reported people in game regarding conduct, not all that often, maybe once or twice, but as usual with any online game, you will never hear the outcome of whether the person is punished or not. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that probably most people that have been to GM jail and have had their punishment dished out to them, or whatever it is the GM's do, are going to feel like it's one-sided. I think this purely from previous posts I've ready over the years, and from what I gather is, nobody is told much about why they're getting punished because of ToS I believe.