Please make healing more worthwhile than Dps-ing

[Semirhage]

Note that I also said MP recovery isn't a reward that would do well in this game. My point was that there exists a game with a mechanic that rewards something like ABC, which is a good behavior to tie a reward to. As opposed to overhealing, which is a bad mechanic to tie rewards to.

[Shurrikhan]

Note that I also said MP recovery isn't a reward that would do well in this game. My point was that there exists a game with a mechanic that rewards something like ABC, which is a good behavior to tie a reward to. As opposed to overhealing, which is a bad mechanic to tie rewards to.

And my point is that the reward inherent in the behavior itself is plenty sufficient as is, just as the reward of rDPS from a healer dpsing as much as possible is a plentiful reward for the healer dpsing as much as possible. How much is possible may vary, but good behavior is always going to be based around maximizing whichever outputs -- and since effective healing is capped while damage is not, that's ultimately going to mean damage, especially in low healing requirements.

The only thing that will make healing seem more worthwhile is for more healing to need to be done. The most we can really hope for are output-trades, whereby I heal my tank more so s/he can take more risks and deal back damage equal or greater to what I lose from healing.

Making it more integral, however, gives many more possible solutions, so long as its mirror--damage-dealing--likewise has a place in those interactions. But, that is technically an entirely different issue.

[PondHollow]

As of the release of the Shadowbringers [5.0] patch, the ability to build the Limit Break Gauge with the use of healing was reduced.

This was actually discussed: the developers didn't like a particular speed run of Kefka that used healing and shielding to build the gauge. So the impactfulness of healing was a casualty.

Subjectively, that is some terribly dysfunctional goal prioritization. But as the evidence stands, you can assume healing, and its worthwhileness, is an afterthought.

[Miminming]

Apperantly im not clear enough in my topic opening comment, im trying to be mild but people cant dead my mind (which is my bad)

DPS AND TANK ARE DYING
Why would i complain if NOBODY is dying?

Lets not pretend that all healer that attempt to heal the bare minimum never let anyone die, they let's admit people die and wipe a lot more than their dgc dps worth

[YusiKha]

Apperantly im not clear enough in my topic opening comment, im trying to be mild but people cant dead my mind (which is my bad)

DPS AND TANK ARE DYING
Why would i complain if NOBODY is dying?

Lets not pretend that all healer that attempt to heal the bare minimum never let anyone die, they let's admit people die and wipe a lot more than their dgc dps worth

I died because the tank didn’t grab aggro of the group!
We died to enrage because the DPS are bad!
I know. Let’s reward tanks for holding aggro and DPS for doing damage!

Why should the bare minimum require rewarding? If people are dying and it’s the healer’s fault, then that healer needs to improve.

[Miminming]

Dps being rewarded for doing damage a reward called DPS

Tank not holding agro is you get a very and i mean VERY VERY BERY bad tank, or you are talking about 4.0, i do however think tank being rewarded some nuke bonus for holding agro is a choice for more gameplay interaction, just make sure to put in the 1st and 2nd in agro list get the reward ;p

[YusiKha]

Dps being rewarded for doing damage a reward called DPS

Tank not holding agro is you get a very and i mean VERY VERY BERY bad tank, or you are talking about 4.0, i do however think tank being rewarded some nuke bonus for holding agro is a choice for more gameplay interaction, just make sure to put in the 1st and 2nd in agro list get the reward ;p

There is already a reward for everybody doing the bare minimum though. It’s called ‘Duty Complete’

[Miminming]

Again im mostly implying to the healer that let their dps and tank dying by pretending they alreay healing their part while its not, so nope no clear...

[HyperiusUltima]

Again im mostly implying to the healer that let their dps and tank dying by pretending they alreay healing their part while its not, so nope no clear...

Then perhaps they need to heal more then? They made the meme “Healers Adjust” for a reason, and this is probably one of many. Whenever a party member makes a mistake that reduces their HP significantly, it costs Healers either oGCDs or GCDs and MP to heal them up or raise. This also leads to a loss of healer uptime for BOTH healers in regards to an 8-man party in most cases. A lot of this is just cooperating with your co-healer and working together to not overheal what isn’t needed(check Shurrikhan’s post above in regards to healing being capped).

[ArenWalter]

Scholar main- I do miss all of the DOTS. I really felt like I was contributing. Even if I was focused on healing I was still doing damage. There is nothing wrong with the current iteration. That feeling is just gone.

Let's be real, Eos is the healer, I'm a DPS with a quick queue time.