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    Why are we still pretending this raise tax is necessarily the explanation to our current imbalance?

    SMN had previously carried more rDPS until the end of each expansion despite having Raise. As soon as blatant tuning issues were finally fixed for other jobs as well, RDM was sitting pretty within 1% rDPS of BLM, SMN in solo-caster parties, DRG, and even Ninja, despite having Raise.

    We have an imbalance, yes. SMN and RDM are significantly undertuned. Not just compared to BLM, but to the whole top half of DPS: BLM, MNK, DRG, SAM, and now NIN. But, consider -- the same undertuning applies equally to BRD, DNC, and MCH, even though they don't have Raise, nor any utility of seemingly equivalent value (unless a 10% defensive of a 120-second CD should be worth some 15% of your rDPS, too). So we have a precedent of no Raise tax, and imbalance also affecting jobs without Raise. Why are we then equating caster imbalance to "Raise Tax"? It's not a logical explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Why are we still pretending this raise tax is necessarily the explanation to our current imbalance?

    SMN had previously carried more rDPS until the end of each expansion despite having Raise. As soon as blatant tuning issues were finally fixed for other jobs as well, RDM was sitting pretty within 1% rDPS of BLM, SMN in solo-caster parties, DRG, and even Ninja, despite having Raise.

    We have an imbalance, yes. SMN and RDM are significantly undertuned. Not just compared to BLM, but to the whole top half of DPS: BLM, MNK, DRG, SAM, and now NIN. But, consider -- the same undertuning applies equally to BRD, DNC, and MCH, even though they don't have Raise, nor any utility of seemingly equivalent value (unless a 10% defensive of a 120-second CD should be worth some 15% of your rDPS, too). So we have a precedent of no Raise tax, and imbalance also affecting jobs without Raise. Why are we then equating caster imbalance to "Raise Tax"? It's not a logical explanation.
    Because yoshi has specifically pointed out raise as an explanation for lower DPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Because yoshi has specifically pointed out raise as an explanation for lower DPS
    He also pointed out immobility as a reason for higher BLM rDPS, despite their practical mobility being just as high as the other two casters in the confines of optimal play in the fights his team is making. He's rarely all that precisely in touch with the actual gameplay at high levels of performance.

    And the Raise Tax still doesn't explain why ALL ranged or rDPS-heavy jobs save for BLM were performing at least some 7% behind pure DPS and lower-%indirect-contribution melee jobs.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 09-18-2019 at 03:52 AM.