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    Zyneste Azurox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    Got it, a solution for their damage and utility. Verreflect, 7 min cd. Essentially giving a tank a second cheat cooldown, that will reflect the tank buster at the boss. That'd be almost too cheesy, but I'd be interested to see what kind of strats could be made from a tool like that.
    It would break our utility. It doesn't matter how long the cool down is on that sort of thing. You can't whip out that sort of defensive utility and not share it with the role, plus that would be crazy broken. Damage reduction with a large potency hit from striking the barrier sure, but not full out negation + boss damage. I also wouldn't want a defensive cool down thats tied to our damage [on a charge system maybe, but not on a plain cool down either.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyneste View Post
    It would break our utility. It doesn't matter how long the cool down is on that sort of thing. You can't whip out that sort of defensive utility. Damage reduction with a large potency hit from striking the barrier sure, but not full out negation + boss damage. I also wouldn't want a defensive cool down thats tied to our damage [on a charge system maybe, but not on a plain cool down either.]
    I wouldn't really say it would be game breaking. No more gamebreaking than warrior's holmgang being on a shorter cd letting them use it several times in a fight used to be. It'd certainly make it pretty appealing while keeping a support feel. It'd be interesting to see if they would use it to save tank's cd's more, or if they would try to find out which mechanic does the most damage when failed, or if they'd use it to give certain dps more uptime, maybe just hold it as an "oh s%@" button. Lot of possibilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    I wouldn't really say it would be game breaking. No more gamebreaking than warrior's holmgang being on a shorter cd letting them use it several times in a fight used to be. It'd certainly make it pretty appealing while keeping a support feel.
    We aren't tanks though. Every tank has access to invulns. We'd become meta for all the wrong reasons "Caster slot locked to RDM. RDM cheese strat, no tank swap"

    Its the same issue raise has. You have to share utility like that among the role or its going to cause imbalance.
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    Hey Golden Bahamut take your akh morns back you stupid dummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Hey Golden Bahamut take your akh morns back you stupid dummy.
    That would be some dank memes right there lol, but I was thinking it only reflects once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    That would be some dank memes right there lol, but I was thinking it only reflects once.
    Guarantee it'll be worthless then lol, it'll suffer just like StB shelltron: verreflect went off on an auto, and now the tank is gonna take the buster naked and die.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Guarantee it'll be worthless then lol, it'll suffer just like StB shelltron: verreflect went off on an auto, and now the tank is gonna take the buster naked and die.
    It depends.

    Does it negate the hit entirely or does it just reduce it to 0?

    Negating a hit has huge implications as it doesn't give you the related Debuffs usually associated with such dangerous incoming hits. As an example, you could 'Reflect' the second Stonecrusher in a Tankbuster chain, giving time for the first Debuff to fall off, and then a tank can take the entirety of Stonebuster without an invuln.

    Depending on your tank and healer set up, that's pretty significant.

    I think it's more reasonable as a 3 cooldown, party shield

    VerReflect
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    180 second Recast
    Effect: Grants you and your party a shield equivalent to 10% of Maximum Health. Damage absorbed is reflected to the attacker.
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    Until you realise the actor performing the damage isn't the boss and the reflect is null and void. I don't think you all want the old headache of Radiant Shield optimisation :^)
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    Jkap Goat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razard View Post
    So slow, boring, repetitive slog with trusts?

    I. Don’t. Care. About. A. Dead. Game. Stop. Trying. To. Sell. It. To. Me.
    Exactly how I feel with FFXIV duegons and raids lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat View Post
    Exactly how I feel with FFXIV duegons and raids lol
    So you have nothing to add to the conversation. great.

    Ok then, let me slow down and make my point less obtuse.

    How do I put this so you understand? I don't want to be updated. I don't care how (what many call the worst era of) FFXI is doing. The point of it is that the stuff that made FFXI """great""" can't just be updated and brought over here wholesale and expected to work. FFXI was very much of it's time from a company that was basically fumbling through this whole MMO thing.

    Also Hysterics and fainting couch drama is not going to help your argumentation. Which was my point before you took us on this worthless wild goose chase of a tangent. And the suggestions being asked to the original post I responded to where ludicrous.

    All I can say is stop to proselytizing. I did my time and I much prefer this game.
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