Struggling as Healer on Wall-to-Walls

[AphraelAmarantha]

Here are some tips to help as a WHM:

Regen + Benison is an excellent combo for covering general damage the tank takes, so make sure to keep these up during a pull.

Holy is a GREAT mitigation tool. The stun you get will give 4-7sec of zero damage when used back to back.

Afflatus skills should be your Go-To first use abilities when you have them. Combo them both with Plenary Indulgence to get an added 200 potency. Also note that PI is a buff and doesn't dissapear after it's first activation.

Assylum, Assize and Temperance all mesh extremely well together. I tend to alternate pulls when using Assylum and Temperance given their C/Ds.

Tetragrammaton is excellent to use when you do not have an Afflatus skill available.

Benediction should not be kept as a panic button. It is the most potent, single target heal in the game. Plan your use of it. Doing so lets you save other resources for future pulls.

lol, you act as if I don't use those abilities. I will have to record a video one day and show you all.

[HyoMinPark]

lol, you act as if I don't use those abilities. I will have to record a video one day and show you all.

The guy could have been giving advice to the OP... they mentioned that they’re struggling on all three healers...

Either way, no need to be rude to the guy. He’s just trying to help—either you or the OP. Or someone randomly reading the thread who may also have a similar issue.

[Numenor1379]

lol, you act as if I don't use those abilities. I will have to record a video one day and show you all.

I wasn't talking to you, get over yourself. Besides your post says you're also having issues with WHM.

[Mhaeric]

I wasn't talking to you, get over yourself. Besides your post says you're also having issues with WHM.

Guaranteed that person has received healing advice during a run and took it as an insult.

[AphraelAmarantha]

Guaranteed that person has received healing advice during a run and took it as an insult.

Nice assumption, but no I have never received healing advice in an instance. My hostility stems from this forum feeling more like an elitist circlejerk where everyone here laughs at people less skilled than they are and then just go git gud. They don't try to see or understand how difficult things may actually be for someone like me, despite explaining over and over and over and over to them, so eventually it becomes tiresome and people wonder why someone gets jaded at a community. Practice doesn't always make perfect or better, some people just do not have the ability to get better at something even though they try their damnest, following other's advice, trying to apply what they are told, watching videos, reading guides, and no improvement whatsoever to show for it over months and years of trying.

People like the ones in this community or more specifically this forum just don't get it, and they never will because they have their stuck so far up in the clouds due to their skill level that they can never relate, never understand, so when you try to tell them you try and try and they just give a half-assed canned response, yeah I'm going to be hostile, jaded and angry because you still don't GET IT. Oh this fight is easy! Not to me and others liek me it isnt. Oh you just need more practice! What, ten years to see any modicum, improvement? How long do I have to practice at a game to get better at it if I don't see improvement over doing something for months or years? Oh but the job is so easy, I can do it in my sleep! Good for you, I'm glad teh game is trivial to you, its not to me and never will be.

@MikuMitsuko, Again I just say don't worry about it. Ask for smaller pulls and ditch them if they don't want to cooperate. There is only so much you can do. If you after practice practice practice practice and still cant handle large pulls, then you can't handle large pulls and you have to accept that. I can barely handle large pulls and usually someone dies if a tank goes crazy, this is with someone at a ilvl443, uses my ogcds and gcds as much as possible and the tank still dies. All you can really do is try your best and if teh party doesn't like that, they can find another healer.

[Saefinn]

My hostility stems from this forum feeling more like an elitist circlejerk where everyone here laughs at people less skilled than they are and then just go git gud. They don't try to see or understand how difficult things may actually be for someone like me, despite explaining over and over and over and over to them, so eventually it becomes tiresome and people wonder why someone gets jaded at a community. Practice doesn't always make perfect or better, some people just do not have the ability to get better at something even though they try their damnest, following other's advice, trying to apply what they are told, watching videos, reading guides, and no improvement whatsoever to show for it over months and years of trying.

People like the ones in this community or more specifically this forum just don't get it, and they never will because they have their stuck so far up in the clouds due to their skill level that they can never relate, never understand, so when you try to tell them you try and try and they just give a half-assed canned response, yeah I'm going to be hostile, jaded and angry because you still don't GET IT. Oh this fight is easy! Not to me and others liek me it isnt. Oh you just need more practice! What, ten years to see any modicum, improvement? How long do I have to practice at a game to get better at it if I don't see improvement over doing something for months or years? Oh but the job is so easy, I can do it in my sleep! Good for you, I'm glad teh game is trivial to you, its not to me and never will be.

Whilst I can understand the dislike for elitism or people talking down to others for being less experienced or not as skilled as they are. I've played with a variety of people with varying levels of abilities, and I know it can be a PITA when somebody's just being a rear end about it.

But I reread the guy's post trying to find any hints of this and all he was literally doing was giving advice after the OP and yourself included (but I imagine directed at the OP) have said they've struggled and the OP has struggled for advice in-game and has come here and people have subsequently followed with advice. Your hostility arguably is misplaced.

Unfortunately, there is a stereotype of people in-game who will get hostile when you try to give them advice, even if you're polite and respectful about it. When in actuality you're just trying to help. So I expect that's where the assumption from the other guy came from. I've had it, and I try to be polite and respectful, because I know people have to start somewhere, but I've had people genuinely flip out at me because I wanted to help.

[HyoMinPark]

Nice assumption, but no I have never received healing advice in an instance. My hostility stems from this forum feeling more like an elitist circlejerk where everyone here laughs at people less skilled than they are and then just go git gud.

Where is anyone in this thread laughing at the OP for asking for advice? Literally, where. A lot of threads that pop up asking for legitimate advice don’t end in the forum mob ganging up on the poor, innocent sprout and not helping them. Most end in people offering the advice players are asking for. Quite thoroughly and politely, usually. Threads only devolve when attitudes like yours arise.

They don't try to see or understand how difficult things may actually be for someone like me, despite explaining over and over and over and over to them, so eventually it becomes tiresome and people wonder why someone gets jaded at a community. Practice doesn't always make perfect or better, some people just do not have the ability to get better at something even though they try their damnest, following other's advice, trying to apply what they are told, watching videos, reading guides, and no improvement whatsoever to show for it over months and years of trying.

Except practice does make one better. Throwing your hands in the air and giving up at the first sign of challenge is what causes people to not progress in terms of skill level. Sure, some may never be as good as the top raiders. But not everyone has to be. And people certainly aren’t demanding that they be.

The hostility you tend to see on here is when people pop up and demand things like MSQ solo instances be nerfed because they’re repeatedly not paying attention to the mechanics and failing them; or they’re going into an instance severely undergeared and wondering why they’re getting one-shot by mechanics (see: The Will of the Moon threads). A lot of players don’t want to acknowledge their own mistakes, which is where you’ll see people “talking down to them” and telling them that they need to own what they’re doing wrong. This game handholds its playerbase through all of the story content. It can’t do much more—other than completely automate your character—to make things easier. At some point, people need to take responsibility and push themselves to do better, which is what most of those “elitists” are telling them to do.

Finally, it may have escaped your notice, but the OP isn’t you. So you shouldn’t assume that they will struggle the same way you’re apparently struggling. Or that they won’t learn and become better the way you’ve repeatedly stated you won’t.

People like the ones in this community or more specifically this forum just don't get it, and they never will because they have their stuck so far up in the clouds due to their skill level that they can never relate, never understand, so when you try to tell them you try and try and they just give a half-assed canned response, yeah I'm going to be hostile, jaded and angry because you still don't GET IT. Oh this fight is easy! Not to me and others liek me it isnt. Oh you just need more practice! What, ten years to see any modicum, improvement? How long do I have to practice at a game to get better at it if I don't see improvement over doing something for months or years? Oh but the job is so easy, I can do it in my sleep! Good for you, I'm glad teh game is trivial to you, its not to me and never will be.

You are holding on to a lot of hostility for literally no reason. And it’s making you construe everything about everyone on here negatively. You would do well to get rid of these feelings before you lash out at someone again—just like you did to Numenor in this very thread when they weren’t even talking to you.

@MikuMitsuko, Again I just say don't worry about it. Ask for smaller pulls and ditch them if they don't want to cooperate. There is only so much you can do. If you after practice practice practice practice and still cant handle large pulls, then you can't handle large pulls and you have to accept that. I can barely handle large pulls and usually someone dies if a tank goes crazy, this is with someone at a ilvl443, uses my ogcds and gcds as much as possible and the tank still dies. All you can really do is try your best and if teh party doesn't like that, they can find another healer.

I disagree. I think OP should continue to try. I think they should practice first with friends that they trust playing tanks and then shift slowly to dealing with random as opposed to following this defeatist attitude of “I’ll never get better”. Large pulls aren’t going to go away; so it would be good to learn how to handle them. And the more one handles then successfully, the easier they continue to be.

[AphraelAmarantha]

Except practice does make one better. Throwing your hands in the air and giving up at the first sign of challenge is what causes people to not progress in terms of skill level. Sure, some may never be as good as the top raiders. But not everyone has to be. And people simply aren’t demanding that they be.

Who says I've thrown my hands in the air and just give up without trying and trying and trying and trying? Again, you don't get it. Re-read my post.

You are holding on to a lot of hostility for literally no reason.

I've explained my reasons for my hostility. I'm not repeating myself, this is exactly why someone like you will never get it. And I'm tired of explaining myself.

[Saefinn]

I've explained my reasons for my hostility. I'm not repeating myself, this is exactly why someone like you will never get it. And I'm tired of explaining myself.

Whilst I think understand your reasons why you might be hostile to people who're being elitists, talking people down or putting them down or not making accommodations for them etc. Whilst I may not necessarily agree hostility is the answer, I can respect that we're all different here and handle things differently and in such cases, if they are being toxic, then if somebody is hostile back to them, then what do they expect?

But what I don't understand is the hostility when somebody was not rude, elitist, did not put anybody down, did not do anything untoward, whose tone was not off and gave advice the OP was struggling to get in-game whilst trying to be helpful? From what I've read, despite your sweeping generalisations about people on the forum, we've come here to try and offer advice we think is helpful.

[HyoMinPark]

Who says I've thrown my hands in the air and just give up without trying and trying and trying and trying? Again, you don't get it. Re-read my post.

I didn’t really want to bring up your previous posts about struggling to heal Mt. Gulg, but I’m going to. You were throwing your hands up in the air in that thread—when you told me that you didn’t want to try to heal it; when you told me you didn’t want to try and level DNC because you’re a bad player who has never been able to get better. What you displayed in that thread was a defeatist attitude. And you’re expressing it again in this thread...while also hijacking it away from the OP, who is just asking for ways that they can get better. Make your own thread if you want to continue this. Don’t take away from theirs. And certainly don’t imply that they need to give up, either.

The OP is trying to learn. They are asking for advice on how to get better. You’re telling them to just demand small pulls—so not even try to improve their performance or get more comfortable with large pulls—or to just be a diva and /leave. That’s not advice. That’s not helpful. You aren’t being helpful, and you’re turning this thread about them asking for help into a soapbox for you to scream at “the elitist forum mob”. That’s not cool.

I've explained my reasons for my hostility. I'm not repeating myself, this is exactly why someone like you will never get it. And I'm tired of explaining myself.

And your hostility is overflowing so much that you’re lashing out at people who are trying to help the OP as if they’re speaking against you or attacking you personally. I think you need to step away.