"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Scintilla]

The introduction of NewGame+ is an update I've been very much looking forward to, if only to have the opportunity to complete the ShB story again. I would probably do much of the HW MSQ again too. The lack of rewards and EXP don't deter me in the slightest, I'd be more than happy to replay those sections of the MSQ again purely for the story.

What people wanted was to level new jobs while enjoying the story again. Cause that is what people enjoy. That the devs were this blind to it is shocking to me. Maybe some would, but i can guarantee that most wouldn't. The point of mmo's is to progress your character. If you don't understand that i dunno what to tell you. Your view is that much tilted.

And this thread proves i was right? Lots of people came here to express their disappointment. I know there are people who will be happy with just replaying the story. But do you know that that is not everyone?

Some people will have wanted NG+ to be an additional method of obtaining EXP and will be, understandably, disappointed. Other people will be perfectly content to use it solely to be able to experience the story in all of its detail again. The views of both being shown throughout the thread. As of yet, it can't be argued with complete confidence that either of those viewpoints are in a significant majority.

Are you this ok with denying others a feature they could enjoy? Why?
If that is the case, and i have my doubts, then what exactly is your problem? If the exploit is happening already having new game + give XP rewards would change absolutely nothing. So, again, why are you adamant in denying people a feature they could enjoy?

Whilst I’ve only quickly skimmed through the thread, I’ve only seen previous posters explaining possible reasons as to why such rewards were removed. Is that ‘adamantly denying people a feature they could enjoy’?

Honestly the biggest waste of resources i have ever seen in an mmo feature. The things that could've been done instead of this.

Because the feature hasn’t been delivered in the way that you wished it, you deem it to be unnecessary and a total waste of resources, despite many players here posting that it is a feature they eagerly anticipate. That is your opinion (an opinion shared, no doubt) and one that you’re perfectly entitled to have. However, others have just as much right to express their opinion that the removal of rewards/EXP was necessary.

I could tell you the same. They already had an option for that by rolling a new character though. This is the option of doing the story again on the same character and it's completely pointless. Yeah, some people might do some parts for a refresher. But, it's not about not being for everyone, it's about being for almost no one.

Completing the MSQ again with a new character isn’t an option for many, myself included. Despite wanting to replay parts of HW and now ShB, I didn’t have the time or motivation to complete the entire ARR MSQ again each time, reach the quest section I want, complete it, then have to restart all over again if I ever wanted to re-do or catch up on another section in future.
As others have already mentioned, not all cutscenes and dialogue are available at the Inn. Watching videos of other players completing the MSQ isn’t an option for everyone; seeing another player's WoL in the cutscenes can be quite a distraction. Some players may want to redo sections of the MSQ alongside friends new to the game, without needing to create a completely new character. Others may want to check different dialogue options. There’s lots of reasons why this will be an attractive feature for many, with or without EXP.

[linay]

My only dissatisfaction is that you have to do it in major chunks. Last I checked you have to choose a specific expansion, not specific quests or even patches.

You do it by chapter, not expansion. The example given shows Heavensward alone is divided into 4 chapters or so, and that's just for MSQ. Later on, they will add job quests and side quests, along with ARR MSQ, so not sure how those will be handled.

[KadaRemnant]

I was waiting for it and i am so happy we'll be able to replay the story again! I love the story! Thank you SE!

[KadaRemnant]

The introduction of NewGame+ is an update I've been very much looking forward to, if only to have the opportunity to complete the ShB story again. I would probably do much of the HW MSQ again too. The lack of rewards and EXP don't deter me in the slightest, I'd be more than happy to replay those sections of the MSQ again purely for the story.





Some people will have wanted NG+ to be an additional method of obtaining EXP and will be, understandably, disappointed. Other people will be perfectly content to use it solely to be able to experience the story in all of its detail again. The views of both being shown throughout the thread. As of yet, it can't be argued with complete confidence that either of those viewpoints are in a significant majority.



Whilst I’ve only quickly skimmed through the thread, I’ve only seen previous posters explaining possible reasons as to why such rewards were removed. Is that ‘adamantly denying people a feature they could enjoy’?

Because the feature hasn’t been delivered in the way that you wished it, you deem it to be unnecessary and a total waste of resources, despite many players here posting that it is a feature they eagerly anticipate. That is your opinion (an opinion shared, no doubt) and one that you’re perfectly entitled to have. However, others have just as much right to express their opinion that the removal of rewards/EXP was necessary.



Completing the MSQ again with a new character isn’t an option for many, myself included. Despite wanting to replay parts of HW and now ShB, I didn’t have the time or motivation to complete the entire ARR MSQ again each time, reach the quest section I want, complete it, then have to restart all over again if I ever wanted to re-do or catch up on another section in future.
As others have already mentioned, not all cutscenes and dialogue are available at the Inn. Watching videos of other players completing the MSQ isn’t an option for everyone; seeing another player's WoL in the cutscenes can be quite a distraction. Some players may want to redo sections of the MSQ alongside friends new to the game, without needing to create a completely new character. Others may want to check different dialogue options. There’s lots of reasons why this will be an attractive feature for many, with or without EXP.

Well said! 100% agree and so happy for new game plus!

[Noitems]

You do it by chapter, not expansion. The example given shows Heavensward alone is divided into 4 chapters or so, and that's just for MSQ. Later on, they will add job quests and side quests, along with ARR MSQ, so not sure how those will be handled.

They did state you'll be able to do it by chapter/patch. They also specifically used the Patch artwork for each of them to assure you you're playing through that piece of content.

So if you want to replay 3.2 specifically you can.

[ForteNightshade]

And this thread proves i was right? Lots of people came here to express their disappointment. I know there are people who will be happy with just replaying the story. But do you know that that is not everyone? Are you this ok with denying others a feature they could enjoy? Why?

If that is the case, and i have my doubts, then what exactly is your problem? If the exploit is happening already having new game + give XP rewards would change absolutely nothing. So, again, why are you adamant in denying people a feature they could enjoy? I mean, just the fact that you think the game should now be designed with everything the bots do in mind is ridiculous. Should we also remove mob drops from the overworld? Shall we remove quest cause bots do them? Should we remove gathering nodes cause bots farm them? Just stop.
The bots are a problem on squeenix back end and that is where it needs to be fixed. Not in the game design.

Please explain how this thread proves you're right when the highest liked posts—of which there are several—argue against it? While I normally attribute little to likes, in a discussion about whether you "like" a feature or not. They are somewhat relevant.

Putting aside ARR, you're forgetting how allowing repeat EXP gains on every MSQ quest renders almost every other EXP avenue obsolete. Just doing the Shadowbringer quests from 70-71 nets you 10,080,000 EXP. For comparison sake, this is more than even the MSQ Roulette offers at the equivalent level. And you could skip every cut scene, making it take no more than a half hour if even that. Basically, New Game Plus becomes the best EXP option by a mile. Highest EXP rewards per time spent, no chance for wipe or slow downs save your own. Why would I even touch other content for leveling?

As for denying others a feature they could enjoy. People who want to experience the story again will welcome this feature because EXP gains were never their desire in the first place. The only people this "hurts" are those who hoped for a cheap and easy leveling alternative where they wouldn't even watch the cut scenes, thus defeating the entire point. Simply put, New Game+ wasn't designed for you much in the same capacity Ultimate is designed exclusively for raiders.

[hasana]

I can see why people are upset because some people wanted an alternate way to level up because right now its either grind X/Y or do your daily stuff thanks see you tomorrow.

[Melichoir]

I never expected NG+ to give exp, gil, or other things. In fact, thats not somethign Ive really seen ever mentioned in any discussion regarding it til now. So I dont understand how this is gonna be some huge disappointment to the majority. The majority, I bet, sees NG+ as a "oh thats a cool feature, I can play that one quest line I like again!" And thats it.

Frankly, its probably better that NG+ wont give exp. Doing so would likely end up in two things - People replaying certain chapters to max out exp, and people shifting away from other leveling avenues to use MSQ (and solo play). That latter half would likely mean increased queue times. Afterall, why queue up for a dungeon when you can just skip that part and get back into MSQ? And if youre leveling via MSQ, youre not gonna be queuing up for roulettes as frequently, or other party content. Probably wont be good for the health of the game overall. Especially if you can just repeat the MSQ and max level every class in a matter of a few days/weeks by smashing the next key and killing a mob here and there.

Im personally not disappointed if NG+ doesnt give us anything. I want it for the story and fun. Not so I can get exp out of it.

[Moomba33]

I've been looking forward to this feature for awhile. I have made alts to replay the MSQ but being able to replay specific sections on my main is better.
I especially am looking forward to being able to replay ShB without having to worry about hitting level gates.

Edit: I honestly never expected to receive rewards from New Game+. I won't say no one did (I don't read every post on this forum after all) but the discussions I do recall on this subject involved people wanting to replay cool solo instances like the Grand Melee and the Naadam for fun on their main characters instead of new ones.

[FoxyAreku]

MSQ quests alone barely give any XP anyway, it's the sidequests/dungeons that do a lot.