Yo those QOL for DOH & DOL

[frostmagemari]

Honestly, i'm skeptical of the implied changes. I've been finding crafting too easy to succeed at since the end of Stormblood and subsequent launch of Shadowbringers; and by succeed, i don't just mean being able to craft something, i mean how easy it is to HQ something from even zero HQ mats.
Will these changes be good? Who can say.. i am skeptical though, especially since I've enjoyed since the relaunch of ARR and i'd rather it not get made even easier than it is now.

As to simplification, well, it's clear anyone complaining about simplification didn't actually watch the Live Letter. They specifically listed improvements for the "avid crafters", i.e. more difficult recipes and so on, as a separate bullet point.

Unless you're seeing something different than me it says "New content for avid crafters", with nothing said about the difficulty of said crafts. That could just mean that they've added more things, not that the things they add will be more engaging or rewarding to do.

[Mistyregions]

Honestly, i'm skeptical of the implied changes. I've been finding crafting too easy to succeed at since the end of Stormblood and subsequent launch of Shadowbringers; and by succeed, i don't just mean being able to craft something, i mean how easy it is to HQ something from even zero HQ mats.
Will these changes be good? Who can say.. i am skeptical though, especially since I've enjoyed since the relaunch of ARR and i'd rather it not get made even easier than it is now.

Unless you're seeing something different than me it says "New content for avid crafters", with nothing said about the difficulty of said crafts. That could just mean that they've added more things, not that the things they add will be more engaging or rewarding to do.

How easy it is to craft HQ stuff from non HQ mats? For who? The beta testers who have been maxed lvled on everything? This update is for newer players who dont have anything leveled to engage them into the game and hook them on a Sub. It's not for you, I know that's hard to grasp.

[CookiesNCreams]

How easy it is to craft HQ stuff from non HQ mats? For who? The beta testers who have been maxed lvled on everything? This update is for newer players who dont have anything leveled to engage them into the game and hook them on a Sub. It's not for you, I know that's hard to grasp.

You really need to understand that you’re not the only one who pays for this game.

[Rasikko]

I like the crafting system as it currently is, but the thing with skills...not so much. So I'm probably not gonna like this tree business, but whatever, I didn't ask for that, yall did.

You really need to understand that you’re not the only one who pays for this game.

The majority of you here haven't figured that out yet for yourselves either.

[frostmagemari]

How easy it is to craft HQ stuff from non HQ mats? For who? The beta testers who have been maxed lvled on everything? This update is for newer players who dont have anything leveled to engage them into the game and hook them on a Sub.

You realize that outside of the original ARR (which was several years ago now), they don't actually allow any of us to beta test anything, right? Square keeps everything in-house until it's eventual release; which, frankly, acts against them more times than naught because they get no useful feedback on what it is they're doing.

As for who i was talking about, i was talking about myself (as if it wasn't obvious by what you quoted). It has become ludicrously easy to craft things into HQ from zero HQ mats if you keep your gear up to date; especially within end bit of Stormblood and all of Shadowbringers that i've done. If they are just making it easier to get INTO crafting, then sure, that's great; but they're not, they're doing a whole revamp that is going to affect would-be crafters and people who have spent a lot of time in crafting already.

It's not for you, I know that's hard to grasp.

Sure, but it affects me, so i'm going to toss in my two bits.

[Mistyregions]

You realize that outside of the original ARR (which was several years ago now), they don't actually allow any of us to beta test anything, right? Square keeps everything in-house until it's eventual release; which, frankly, acts against them more times than naught because they get no useful feedback on what it is they're doing.

As for who i was talking about, i was talking about myself (as if it wasn't obvious by what you quoted). It has become ludicrously easy to craft things into HQ from zero HQ mats if you keep your gear up to date; especially within end bit of Stormblood and all of Shadowbringers that i've done. If they are just making it easier to get INTO crafting, then sure, that's great; but they're not, they're doing a whole revamp that is going to affect would-be crafters and people who have spent a lot of time in crafting already.


Sure, but it affects me, so i'm going to toss in my two bits.

First. The beta test was a joke about people who been crafting from the get go. Obviously you missed that, just like you are missing the point of revamping crafting.

Personally square doesnt care how much you put into crafting, they care about getting more people engaged with it and this is going to fix that. Why do you care? Because you put so much time and effort into it you think others should have to go through what you did?

This effects you how? You get sweaty about how much easier new players have it? Are you a boomer telling kids they need to pick them selves up by their boot straps and craft the way you did?

This does nothing to affect you in a negative way yet you throw your two sense in. That's a real boot straps thing to say.

[frostmagemari]

First. The beta test was a joke about people who been crafting from the get go. Obviously you missed that, just like you are missing the point of revamping crafting.

You got caught in something you obviously had no knowledge on are trying to lie your way out of it. Try harder.

Personally square doesnt care how much you put into crafting, they care about getting more people engaged with it and this is going to fix that. Why do you care? Because you put so much time and effort into it you think others should have to go through what you did?
This effects you how? You get sweaty about how much easier new players have it? Are you a boomer telling kids they need to pick them selves up by their boot straps and craft the way you did?

This effects me by the fact that they're not just changing the leveling process. This is a revamp. Do you know what that means? That means changing and rebuilding things effectively from the ground up. This will effect every crafter whether they're getting started or have been playing since 2.0; Crafting up until now has been something I have enjoyed and I want to keep enjoying it, but I have no idea what will happen at 5.1 because SQE is notorious for not actually audience-testing the content they put out.

This does nothing to affect you in a negative way yet you throw your two sense in. That's a real boot straps thing to say.

You further show that you don't actually know what's going on in this situation, and continue to make comments that only make sense within your warped view of the situation, and my concerns about it.

Well, if it's for the "avid" crafter, it should be engaging/rewarding.

You would think that. It should be engaging and rewarding, but since SQE never actually tests things to see if it plays well with their intended audience and have missed the mark on so many other projects, I'm skeptical about how these will actually work out. (ie. not saying they're going to not try to give this kind of thing, i'm simply recalling all the times they've missed the mark in delivering their intended experience)

[Mistyregions]

You got caught in something you obviously had no knowledge on are trying to lie your way out of it. Try harder.


This effects me by the fact that they're not just changing the leveling process. This is a revamp. Do you know what that means? That means changing and rebuilding things effectively from the ground up. This will effect every crafter whether they're getting started or have been playing since 2.0; Crafting up until now has been something I have enjoyed and I want to keep enjoying it, but I have no idea what will happen at 5.1 because SQE is notorious for not actually audience-testing the content they put out.


You further show that you don't actually know what's going on in this situation, and continue to make comments that only make sense within your warped view of the situation, and my concerns about it.


You would think that. It should be engaging and rewarding, but since SQE never actually tests things to see if it plays well with their intended audience and have missed the mark on so many other projects, I'm skeptical about how these will actually work out.

TiL I live in a world where a beta test comment was a joke about people having crafted from release so they have everything max, and unlike newer players dont have access to everything and that's what the revamp is aimed at.

I had to explain a very clear joke to you...that tells me alot about you. If you missed that context this whole revamp is way over your head bud. Just sit down in the back and use your crafting simulator and you will be fine.

[frostmagemari]

TiL I live in a world where a beta test comment was a joke about people having crafted from release so they have everything max, and unlike newer players dont have access to everything and that's what the revamp is aimed at.
I had to explain a very clear joke to you...that tells me alot about you. If you missed that context this whole revamp is way over your head bud. Just sit down in the back and use your crafting simulator and you will be fine.

You don't live in that world, because that world doesn't exist. No one jokes about ARR or subsequent expansions as beta tests nor do people refer to those that played classes during them as beta testers. Keep on trying to lie though. It's funny now, but not for the reasons you want it to be.

What's with fisher? Without outside ressources like "cat became hungry" the class is literally unplayable...

Now this, i can definitely agree with. The UI for fishing can definitely use updating to make it more on par with the gathering log of the other two DoL, as in it's current state it isn't helpful to anyone playing the game.

[Liam_Harper]

How easy it is to craft HQ stuff from non HQ mats? For who? The beta testers who have been maxed lvled on everything?

Very easy. You can currently craft 2 star from NQ mats, with vendor food and no tea, without paying a gil for materia, within a few days of hitting level 80. I'd be happy to share the rotation and meld set. It's never been easier than this.

That said, I'm not complaining yet. I'll wait and see for more precise details. If they're making leveling smoother and don't touch endgame (besides adding new challenges), it's something. We'll see.