SE Please Sell Gil

[alimdia]

Again, what's the point of asking for SE to sell gil if they already do? It's because the way SE does it is not enough as a means of earning gil.

Ask OP, I didn't start the thread, the point is that the argument I quoted is false.

It's because you still have to have the items to sell and ventures for the retainers and even have to level up or boost each retainer. It is not a simple real money for gil exchange.

And once you boost them and sell the items...? Nothing you're saying changes the fact that additional retainers give people a massive advantage in getting gil, not just from ventures, but also in increasing the limit of items you can sell at once.

If retainers and level boosts are not pay to win, then selling sub tokens is not pay to win, period. You can't pick when to drop the pay to win label and when to keep it.

Just because it isn't doom and gloom that my mother has had cancer for 7 years now does not mean cancer is healthy or that everything is fine. It's still a problem. If gil was largely useless as you say, there wouldn't be all these bots farming gil so your premise is contradicted by the reality of the situation.

Ignoring the weird and inappropriate analogy, what are you winning with gil? How does the existence of gil farming bots mean you can "win" the game with gil? When did they add tradeable raid gear that you can buy with gil? When did they add a PvP auto win button that costs gil? Enlighten me.

[KageTokage]

It's worth noting that the markets are a mess not just because of inflation caused by gil sellers but because gil sellers actually do play the market to get their gil using DoL/H farm bots. It's a safer source of income because they'll pretty much never get banned due to being legit as far as the STF is concerned.

It's an awkward thought that there are likely people buying gil, then just giving the gil back to the other sellers by buying their crafts.

[Wiccan026]

The market is a mess right now. No control on bots, ban waves after items/gil have entered market. A horrible implemented cross world market system, or lack of.

I never said the market wasn't a mess. I actually stated that this could make it even messier... which yes it would.

Inflation is never a good answer.

[seros]

No

[Edax]

Ignoring the weird and inappropriate analogy, what are you winning with gil? How does the existence of gil farming bots mean you can "win" the game with gil?

Buying power.

it's all fine because gil is largely useless.

Clearly there's a market for this black market gil or the spam bots wouldn't be flooding the starting city states with their illicit advertisements. If gil is largely useless as you say, these botters wouldn't be wasting their time and money selling it.

[linay]

Then the next point which I made just above you was that I thought they would also use gil to catch up in gear progression. So gil for glamour or other would not be ok. But gil used for catching up is ok. As we have determined that cash for catching up is ok. So SE shouldn't sell gil, but more catch up items like those coffers you get that have a whole set of gear.So someone who has taken a couple patch break doesn't feel like grinding can just log on to the mog station and move into a raid starting tier of gear. I am not exactly sure why people want to buy gil. But it would be fine for the cash shop to have gear instead of gil, it could even be cash shop unique sets. Which would make them unobtainable in game and just progression.

What catch up do they need to sell beyond the boost? They still want you to play the expansion, so there are catch up mechanics in the game itself.

And once you boost them and sell the items...? Nothing you're saying changes the fact that additional retainers give people a massive advantage in getting gil, not just from ventures, but also in increasing the limit of items you can sell at once.

If retainers and level boosts are not pay to win, then selling sub tokens is not pay to win, period. You can't pick when to drop the pay to win label and when to keep it.



Ignoring the weird and inappropriate analogy, what are you winning with gil? How does the existence of gil farming bots mean you can "win" the game with gil? When did they add tradeable raid gear that you can buy with gil? When did they add a PvP auto win button that costs gil? Enlighten me.

Retainers and level boosts still have you work to make use of them. Level boosts don't get you to max level and don't teach you how to play the job. Retainers don't help you with acquiring the items to sell and you still have to work on each retainer. Gil/token directly get you whatever gil gets you that you want that gives you advantage over other potential buyer that may not have the gil.

[Metalwrath]

Having se sell gil wont fix the issue.It would devalue the gil so much that price would jump a lot higher for items.
This would send people to find cheaper alternatives to buy gil.The rmt sellers will always undercut SE.
The only thing that would come from this would be SE making more money.It would also turn the game into pay2win which would divide the player community.
A lot of the people advocating for se to sell gil isnt to try and combat the rmt sellers.Its so they can personally buy gil to make game easier for them without getting banned through the rmt way.

[Reinfeld]

Buying power.



Clearly there's a market for this black market gil or the spam bots wouldn't be flooding the starting city states with their illicit advertisements. If gil is largely useless as you say, these botters wouldn't be wasting their time and money selling it.

It is largely useless in the pay-to-win sense. You can't really "buy power" in this game, it's more like "use Gil to save time". Crafted gear is on-par with current-tier 8-man normal raid stuff. If you have the income (and crafted stuff is so cheap now) it can speed up your gearing, but aside from that it really gives no advantage. I guess you could make the argument that it can be used to purchase Savage wins...but...why? What are they actually getting out of buying Savage-tier armor? I guess they can save 90 seconds in expert roulette if they buy a full set. If they feel any motivation to learn easier fights after cheating their way past the pinncale, I guess that can get marginally easier. And....to show off...? I guess they can also use it to penta-meld gear for that extra 3% damage boost.

Where Gil isn't worthless is the *true* endgame (aka glamour, housing and maybe powerleveling DOH). And I guess it's not worthless as a mode of gearing multiple jobs, but I did concede it's use as a time-saver.

Tldr; Gil is near-worthless as a means of buying power, but useful to save time and look pretty.

[Noctisnine]

No and just no, deal with the goldsellers instead.

[LeonDalmasca]

Splashing here giving my two cents like many times.

What is supposed to be the "Pay to win" in Boosts and MSQ skip? The "I bought something that I could've done in few days and even then i still gotta level up to reach the max level?" How that is even remotely a win? Supposedly you earn more than 20 eur in days of work, but you play the game for all it has to offer no? Cutting a part of levelling only cuts you "Playtime" time, you'd lie if you never have moments where you sit in any city and be like "IDK WHAT TO DO". Or even better what do you win by skipping the MSQ? A crown for being an idiot? Because story so far is objectively good given the ShB/HSW acclamation and success, a bit less SB, but I still consider it good, not on par of HSW/SB but good, aside Tsuyu Part that hit on the feels.

Even if this game would sell Gils (Which I disapprove, mainly because if it happens GIL sellers will go mad to undercut each other and that would create an unbalance on economy worse than the one we are having now and since Gils are nowhere as important to play the game its unnecessary. Most of stuff is cheap enough that even by sending your retainer and doing nothing else you can afford it, mansions and medium house are the only bit where you need to actually work (DoL/DoH) or save for a long time) scaling the inflation problem even worse BUT it wouldn't be a p2w. Since Raid gear SHOULD be "skill-locked", but in reality noobs get carried, runs get bought and even then, what are they winning? A second crown for being bad and needed to get carried? On what a PvE game? Yes some people do PvP and that wouldn't help them in the less since classes are all the same from lv30 (So no need to get "higher" and even even then it won't raise you to the newest expansion level which would still be lower than the max level if that mattered, people that would care about PvP would level it to 80 and you'd still be 70 in "disadvantage").

On a side note, its a mainly PvE game, there's nothing to win aside having fun. If you think that's P2W you guys have never play'd stuff like 4Story or other MMO's of that "time", Metin etc.. Where you could literally get stuff to upgrade and be "better" than anyone else, or private server where you'd paid 10 eur for a gm to insert a certain bonus for you into the item you wanted, or giving to you directly the item with modded stats. That's what you call P2W. As for the present there's no way to get ahead of other players in FFXIV by using the itemshop therefor whatever SE decides to do, there's no way this game becomes P2W and again, gils gives no direct advantage to you. (But please don't sell Gil in the mogstation i'm already tired of this inflation).