SE Please Sell Gil

[alimdia]

In the context of fighting bots, the bots provide an exchange rate that 50 times better then the mogstation. Of course the bots are going to win that battle.

The context is people saying "the game will be pay to win", what bots do or don't do doesn't matter, it's whether this would be pay to win or not. The game didn't die when they started selling gil through level boosts, it wouldn't die if they added some sort of sub token, just like GW2, WoW, ESO, RS/OSRS, EVE and countless others remain alive with similar systems.

Which isn't healthy for the game.

And despite additional retainers being unhealthy for the game they have been here for what, 5 years now? And no doom and gloom, everything operates just fine, people who have them can earn more gil than those who don't, and it's all fine because gil is largely useless.

[KageTokage]

The only way to stop the bots and rmt shout is to stop buy Gil for real money.

SE need a big campaign and make clear to everyone that buying gil for real money will cause a permanent ban on the main character.
Also to make clear that they are not joking, they should tell us how many active players they banned and how active these players have been.
Like:
5 players has been banned, the most active had 2 years of in-game playtime.

I do find the sheer amount of transparency involved with the reporting system rather awkward.

It's rather customary for a MMO to at least tell you if a report has been read and whether or not it was actually acted on. With how poorly XIV handles things it makes me wonder if they're reading the reports at all.

[linay]

The context is people saying "the game will be pay to win", what bots do or don't do doesn't matter, it's whether this would be pay to win or not. The game didn't die when they started selling gil through level boosts

Again, what's the point of asking for SE to sell gil if they already do? It's because the way SE does it is not enough as a means of earning gil.

And despite additional retainers being unhealthy for the game they have been here for what, 5 years now? And no doom and gloom, everything operates just fine, people who have them can earn more gil than those who don't, and it's all fine because gil is largely useless.

It's because you still have to have the items to sell and ventures for the retainers and even have to level up or boost each retainer. It is not a simple real money for gil exchange.

[Vespar]

The only way the gilseller / botting issue ends, is if YOU the players STOP BUYING IT!

If they dont make money, they dont bother and move on to the next game.

[SamSmoot]

The main thing it accomplished was allowing Blizzard to tap into the RMT market. They love their money above all else, even their dignity and product quality. It did, however, put a slight dent in RMT sellers because people can buy gold from Blizzard instead without having their accounts compromised or risking a ban.

Actually, you didn't buy gold from Blizzard, you bought it from other players. The cash you paid to enable the transaction went to cover the seller's subscription when he traded the token for time, and a $5 handling fee to Blizzard.
The buyer was effectively paying cash for another player's game time, and getting that player's gold in return for it.

[Vahlnir]

Actually, you didn't buy gold from Blizzard, you bought it from other players. The cash you paid to enable the transaction went to cover the seller's subscription when he traded the token for time, and a $5 handling fee to Blizzard.
The buyer was effectively paying cash for another player's game time, and getting that player's gold in return for it.

...and the money still goes to Blizzard, since it's the cost of a subscription fee.

[Khalithar]

Meh, if SE sold gil it wouldn't make the game pay to win in the slightest. What is there to even spend large amounts of gil on?

Houses?
HQ crafted gear?
Materia?

If SE sold gil and I suddenly bought, (let's be hyperbolic) 100 million gil right now, I wouldn't suddenly be able to go and get full BIS savage mode raid gear.

[Crasherino]

Where are people getting the idea of pw2 from? all gear in this game is easily obtainable from simply playing the game, doing your tome grind, ext primals savage stuff, I'm not even sure if you can buy that stuff, and even if you can, why would you do that in a game like this? if you buy your gear you're literally skipping "end game" to the point where you've literally just ended your game, there's nothing left to work for at end game, PvP? pretty sure your gear doesn't matter, open world pvp? doesn't even exist, so what do you win exactly? the fashion parade? lol

Seriously though, I think the idea of "pay to WIN" has had it's meaning nuked, at best this game would be "pay to progress faster" and it wouldn't even be in a way that would hinder literally anybodys gameplay at all, the only thing advancing gear does is open up a few more instances at end game, but even then, you hit level cap in SB and suddenly you can do all the current end-game dungeons anyway from getting the gear obtainable from completing your role quest, the only thing missing is ext primals and savage, something that not everyone does anyway and wouldn't somehow prevent people from doing it, especially when getting access to it is so incredibly easy.

[Bright-Flower]

You can already 'buy gil' legally. Every story skip/job boost potion comes with 500k. I have no idea where this stacks up against gil seller prices, but if someone wanted to they could just buy a bunch of these items, throw out the level up books and keep the gil from them as much as they wanted.

As for pay to win I don't really consider this pay to win, though I can see the arguement.

What is 'winning' in this game? Buying job boosts will get you to level 70 sure and a bit of gil. But even if that gil gets you crafted gear, so what?

In pvp, your gear doesn't even matter, so buying these boosts isn't helping you win in pvp.

In raids, buying crafted gear can be a help, but this gear isn't so expensive or valuable that I think this would count as pay to 'win' anyway especially with there being other sources of endgame gear, with savage gear being better.

[Wiccan026]

Meh, if SE sold gil it wouldn't make the game pay to win in the slightest. What is there to even spend large amounts of gil on?

Houses?
HQ crafted gear?
Materia?

If SE sold gil and I suddenly bought, (let's be hyperbolic) 100 million gil right now, I wouldn't suddenly be able to go and get full BIS savage mode raid gear.

It would cause inflation if SE just started selling gil without using the job skips/scenario skips (and again folks factor in the fact that they lose out on gil they could have earned without doing this, especially with the story skips... so it does even out some)