SE Please Sell Gil

[Dubont]

Dude seriously made a forum account just to try and make the community buy and sell gil. Didn't get the responses he wanted, so he bolted AND his profile doesn't have an active character anymore. Sooooo I guess he quit. That's fine, botters literally do nothing in this game other than flood the market with materials that I need for crafting. Gil has no real value when each quest gives between 3k-10k for just talking to someone. I bought an entire set of HQ lv70 gear, right before SHB released. By just doing the MSQ, I made all of that gil back in an hour. No farming. No selling anything. Just quests.

[Edax]

That's fine, botters literally do nothing in this game other than flood the market with materials that I need for crafting.

If that good or bad?

[Dubont]

If that good or bad?

No?

I was merely pointing out that OP's complaints regarding botters is simply not true. Bots really just farm. That's all. And with the value of gil seriously equaling 20mil for $2, it just goes to show how little value gil has and how little impact botters make on the game now. In the early days of the game, when quests gave like..a potion and 50gil as your reward, sure, but now? I didn't even have this much gil in FFXI.

Also, most MSQ are instanced so outside botters cannot claim mobs that are part of your quest. Another falsehood from the OP.

[Mistyregions]

I'm actually gonna do my part to make this happen, I figured out that since I have a ridiculous amount of gil between alts, I'll just tank the market by bringing it up and buying only things that are overly expensive putting things out of reach for new players forcing them to RMT. Ez pz.

[Moonlite]

Except many people don't play to do raid, so selling raid gear wouldn't mean anything to them unless they just want the glamour, and even having good gear wouldn't guarantee a clear. A lot of people do play to buy and decorate house, collect glamour, mounts, minions, etc., and many of these items can be bought via gil, which means selling gil would trivialize the game for them. No need to do higher (lower?) floor PoTD if you have the gil to buy a Night Pegasus mount, etc.

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

[Vahlnir]

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

Except you're basically talking about opening another completely different box. There IS a difference between buying some boosts and cosmetics and buying the main currency of the game.

[Moonlite]

Except you're basically talking about opening another completely different box. There IS a difference between buying some boosts and cosmetics and buying the main currency of the game.

Why? It won't clear any savage for you. The game gets a new raid tier and a crafted set that is overmelded to make you cry to help clear it. Someone buys all that with bought gil, so they can play endgame. We already justify the skip potions for that. The only way I can see argument against this is that the party finder has clear sells. Those are sketchy at best and I feel (don't know though) they already involve real cash.



Glamour already exists for cash. Some would argue that they are better and have more work put into them.



With the way the game is currently set up for gear progression and content. Someone having an extra 100 million gil is not p2w. That is literally the justification for the other cash shop boosts. It is not p2w so it is ok. I don't like it, but it is hypocritical to say one is ok and not the other when both meet the same requirements.


Does it mess with the markets? The markets are a hot mess right now with cross world visits,retainers and generally questionable design. Also any craft-able item is farm-able and the game has an infinite amount of resources, unlike other games where servers share nodes. You also allow people to pay up to my level and farm the same mobs that I farm and that is currently acceptable under current cash shop system.

[Wiccan026]

Why? It won't clear any savage for you. The game gets a new raid tier and a crafted set that is overmelded to make you cry to help clear it. Someone buys all that with bought gil, so they can play endgame. We already justify the skip potions for that. The only way I can see argument against this is that the party finder has clear sells. Those are sketchy at best and I feel (don't know though) they already involve real cash.



Glamour already exists for cash. Some would argue that they are better and have more work put into them.



With the way the game is currently set up for gear progression and content. Someone having an extra 100 million gil is not p2w. That is literally the justification for the other cash shop boosts. It is not p2w so it is ok. I don't like it, but it is hypocritical to say one is ok and not the other when both meet the same requirements.


Does it mess with the markets? The markets are a hot mess right now with cross world visits,retainers and generally questionable design. Also any craft-able item is farm-able and the game has an infinite amount of resources, unlike other games where servers share nodes. You also allow people to pay up to my level and farm the same mobs that I farm and that is currently acceptable under current cash shop system.

It will create inflation, which always messes with markets... and in some cases can drive people away from games. Selling gil or the main currency of any game, never actually helps either the player or the game, it just makes a mess or more of a mess than there was to begin with.

[linay]

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

The difference is you can't play the game to earn most of the things in the mog shop, so they're not in the same category as there is no advantage given. The boost is the major exception, but that fits more into a catch up mechanic.

[Vahlnir]

The difference is you can't play the game to earn most of the things in the mog shop, so they're not in the same category as there is no advantage given. The boost is the major exception, but that fits more into a catch up mechanic.

Thanks. Summed it up well.