SE Please Sell Gil

[Dubont]

If that good or bad?

No?

I was merely pointing out that OP's complaints regarding botters is simply not true. Bots really just farm. That's all. And with the value of gil seriously equaling 20mil for $2, it just goes to show how little value gil has and how little impact botters make on the game now. In the early days of the game, when quests gave like..a potion and 50gil as your reward, sure, but now? I didn't even have this much gil in FFXI.

Also, most MSQ are instanced so outside botters cannot claim mobs that are part of your quest. Another falsehood from the OP.

[linay]

In Rift you can buy entire raid sets for real money, that's all optional as well. Pay to win, means being able to buy something that makes you better than other players at the same level. Adding gil doesn't really do anything but let you buy some crafted (worse than tomestone/raid/dungeon gear in most cases) and houses (in the rare moments they're available). Pay to win to me, would be if it was like Rift where you could spend money and buy an entire set of raid gear for yourself that other players can only get by clearing the raid or forking over some dosh.

I'm not saying I'm for selling gil mind you, quite the opposite. Gil is so useless most of the time that there's no reason to buy it as far as I'm concerned. However I adamantly disagree with this notion that buying gil (regardless of the source) somehow trivializes the game and makes it pay to win. The notion is nonsensical and doesn't hold under any real scrutiny.

Except many people don't play to do raid, so selling raid gear wouldn't mean anything to them unless they just want the glamour, and even having good gear wouldn't guarantee a clear. A lot of people do play to buy and decorate house, collect glamour, mounts, minions, etc., and many of these items can be bought via gil, which means selling gil would trivialize the game for them. No need to do higher (lower?) floor PoTD if you have the gil to buy a Night Pegasus mount, etc.

[Mistyregions]

I'm actually gonna do my part to make this happen, I figured out that since I have a ridiculous amount of gil between alts, I'll just tank the market by bringing it up and buying only things that are overly expensive putting things out of reach for new players forcing them to RMT. Ez pz.

[Moonlite]

Except many people don't play to do raid, so selling raid gear wouldn't mean anything to them unless they just want the glamour, and even having good gear wouldn't guarantee a clear. A lot of people do play to buy and decorate house, collect glamour, mounts, minions, etc., and many of these items can be bought via gil, which means selling gil would trivialize the game for them. No need to do higher (lower?) floor PoTD if you have the gil to buy a Night Pegasus mount, etc.

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

[Vahlnir]

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

Except you're basically talking about opening another completely different box. There IS a difference between buying some boosts and cosmetics and buying the main currency of the game.

[Moonlite]

Except you're basically talking about opening another completely different box. There IS a difference between buying some boosts and cosmetics and buying the main currency of the game.

Why? It won't clear any savage for you. The game gets a new raid tier and a crafted set that is overmelded to make you cry to help clear it. Someone buys all that with bought gil, so they can play endgame. We already justify the skip potions for that. The only way I can see argument against this is that the party finder has clear sells. Those are sketchy at best and I feel (don't know though) they already involve real cash.



Glamour already exists for cash. Some would argue that they are better and have more work put into them.



With the way the game is currently set up for gear progression and content. Someone having an extra 100 million gil is not p2w. That is literally the justification for the other cash shop boosts. It is not p2w so it is ok. I don't like it, but it is hypocritical to say one is ok and not the other when both meet the same requirements.


Does it mess with the markets? The markets are a hot mess right now with cross world visits,retainers and generally questionable design. Also any craft-able item is farm-able and the game has an infinite amount of resources, unlike other games where servers share nodes. You also allow people to pay up to my level and farm the same mobs that I farm and that is currently acceptable under current cash shop system.

[linay]

Which would be a valid complaint, which I would like to agree with. SE sells mounts, glamours and other items already for cash. At this point I have yet to see an argument against which SE and the player base has already justified with the current cash shop.



Rare glamours for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Quest clear for cash, check and justified by these forums.


Leveling for cash, check and justified by these forums.


The same arguments that allow these should allow gil to be sold. All it does is move the bar that they have already placed up one tier. It still doesn't clear content for you like people argue to allow for the skip potions. It just allows you to join faster into current content. I don't like it, but the box has been opened and the player base has embraced it.



Only reason at this point I don't see something like it in game already is their inability to implement it. They probably already have plans for it. It would actually make a lot of sense combined data centers and MBs, and then a form of sold gil.

The difference is you can't play the game to earn most of the things in the mog shop, so they're not in the same category as there is no advantage given. The boost is the major exception, but that fits more into a catch up mechanic.

[Vahlnir]

The difference is you can't play the game to earn most of the things in the mog shop, so they're not in the same category as there is no advantage given. The boost is the major exception, but that fits more into a catch up mechanic.

Thanks. Summed it up well.

[Wiccan026]

Why? It won't clear any savage for you. The game gets a new raid tier and a crafted set that is overmelded to make you cry to help clear it. Someone buys all that with bought gil, so they can play endgame. We already justify the skip potions for that. The only way I can see argument against this is that the party finder has clear sells. Those are sketchy at best and I feel (don't know though) they already involve real cash.



Glamour already exists for cash. Some would argue that they are better and have more work put into them.



With the way the game is currently set up for gear progression and content. Someone having an extra 100 million gil is not p2w. That is literally the justification for the other cash shop boosts. It is not p2w so it is ok. I don't like it, but it is hypocritical to say one is ok and not the other when both meet the same requirements.


Does it mess with the markets? The markets are a hot mess right now with cross world visits,retainers and generally questionable design. Also any craft-able item is farm-able and the game has an infinite amount of resources, unlike other games where servers share nodes. You also allow people to pay up to my level and farm the same mobs that I farm and that is currently acceptable under current cash shop system.

It will create inflation, which always messes with markets... and in some cases can drive people away from games. Selling gil or the main currency of any game, never actually helps either the player or the game, it just makes a mess or more of a mess than there was to begin with.

[Moonlite]

The difference is you can't play the game to earn most of the things in the mog shop, so they're not in the same category as there is no advantage given. The boost is the major exception, but that fits more into a catch up mechanic.

Two things. So glamour isn't glamour if it isn't earned in game and is separate from game? That feels like reaching but if that is how you are going to justify that. I will agree with you.



Then the next point which I made just above you was that I thought they would also use gil to catch up in gear progression. So gil for glamour or other would not be ok. But gil used for catching up is ok. As we have determined that cash for catching up is ok. So SE shouldn't sell gil, but more catch up items like those coffers you get that have a whole set of gear.So someone who has taken a couple patch break doesn't feel like grinding can just log on to the mog station and move into a raid starting tier of gear. I am not exactly sure why people want to buy gil. But it would be fine for the cash shop to have gear instead of gil, it could even be cash shop unique sets. Which would make them unobtainable in game and just progression.

It will create inflation, which always messes with markets... and in some cases can drive people away from games. Selling gil or the main currency of any game, never actually helps either the player or the game, it just makes a mess or more of a mess than there was to begin with.

The market is a mess right now. No control on bots, ban waves after items/gil have entered market. A horrible implemented cross world market system, or lack of.