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  1. #151
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Light Khah
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirassou View Post
    I don't think you need to tell people they're bad (at least not in regular DF). If you are talking extreme or savage+, okay.

    But if you are talking regular duties, just ... don't
    But what if people just dont know that they are bad? If the advice is given in a nice matter without any personal attacks, people can at least choose if they want to use this or not. Heck when I was an Astro in the MSQ roulette and used the first stance the whitemage then later told me that its better to use the other one if you are with a whitemage. At that time I knew it (but was not 100% sure on it) and told her that but that I also choose it because quite some whitemages I ran with barely used their healing over time skills and thus we started a nice talk about healing while waiting for the end of the cutscenes. If I had not known it, it would have been a very great advice because it is important in other content.

    So I disagree with never giving advice in regular duties. Its imo just the matter on how to write it and if people dont want to take the advice than at least you tried your best to teach them. But if you dont then they might later complain that nobody ever told them that they did something wrong.
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  2. #152
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    Vulcann's Avatar
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    Matic Zanleer
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 80
    i have always said this in every game

    if you are not in the guild that they are in or friends with you. then just shut up and deal with them sucking, you are a nobody and why should i take advice from a nobody? why people feel the need to give unsolicited advice is beyond me. I play paladin and on my summoner i have seen some terrible paladins, but its not my place to tell them because i am not an expert at the class either ... and you are probably not an expert or as good at the class you play that you think you are.
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  3. #153
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    RoyalBeef's Avatar
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    Tiny Tina
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    Omega
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    you are a nobody and why should i take advice from a nobody?
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  4. #154
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    Vulcann's Avatar
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    Matic Zanleer
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalBeef View Post
    but its the truth, you probably aren't as good as you think you are and even if you are the "top parser" of your guild i don't know that, no one knows who you are ... so why should they listen to you.

    you are a random nobody.
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  5. #155
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    i have always said this in every game

    if you are not in the guild that they are in or friends with you. then just shut up and deal with them sucking, you are a nobody and why should i take advice from a nobody? why people feel the need to give unsolicited advice is beyond me. I play paladin and on my summoner i have seen some terrible paladins, but its not my place to tell them because i am not an expert at the class either ... and you are probably not an expert or as good at the class you play that you think you are.
    Why I love vote kick. I don't expect EX trial or savage top 10 parse but if all you do is use 1 skill from start to finish I guarantee I will say something. In fact more so I usually just ask "Why this ___?" Sadly no real way to ask as people will get offended no matter how nice you try to word it. Will agree, don't be rude to the person, just sweep them to the immediate exit and move on with someone who cares. Long as they actually seem like they are trying, I'll stand by em all day.
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    Last edited by AlphaFox; 09-18-2019 at 07:33 PM.

  6. #156
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    AxHell's Avatar
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    Axhell Anchorvi
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    but its the truth, you probably aren't as good as you think you are and even if you are the "top parser" of your guild i don't know that, no one knows who you are ... so why should they listen to you.

    you are a random nobody.
    Careful son you might cut yourself with all that edge
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  7. #157
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    Curisu's Avatar
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    Chryden Speakel
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    The first thing I try is to remind them for their skills like:
    As healer "i just love it that the pld shield lasts now 6 seconds for guaranteed blocks."
    "It's just awesome that every class can now easy aoe all monsters"
    ....
    Ans I try to pretend that they just forget to use a specific skill or unlucky misclicking the rotation.
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  8. #158
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    Pepsi_Plunge's Avatar
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    Pepsi Plunge
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    Lich
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    just shut up and deal with them sucking, you are a nobody and why should i take advice from a nobody? why people feel the need to give unsolicited advice is beyond me.
    I may be a nobody and their sucking is all fine and dandy but only as long as it doesn't hinder my own progress. Before I follow them to a hell of endless wipes I better speak up. Because at the end of the day I am a nobody that likes to get things done. And if they are a no- or even a somebody that likes to get things done too, they may actually want to listen.
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    Last edited by Pepsi_Plunge; 09-18-2019 at 08:50 PM.

  9. #159
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    Rhus's Avatar
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    Y'dyalani Rhus
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    you are a random nobody.
    Sounds like you're trying to channel your inner Emet-Selch.

    "You are a mistake. For we who have known perfection, this shattered class and these parses are ghastly mockeries of the true player" or something like that.
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  10. #160
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    Alexwern Nisutoromu
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    Cerberus
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcann View Post
    i have always said this in every game

    if you are not in the guild that they are in or friends with you. then just shut up and deal with them sucking, you are a nobody and why should i take advice from a nobody? why people feel the need to give unsolicited advice is beyond me. I play paladin and on my summoner i have seen some terrible paladins, but its not my place to tell them because i am not an expert at the class either ... and you are probably not an expert or as good at the class you play that you think you are.
    This is one of the most assbackwards thinking I've ever seen in my life. You literally cannot have an opinion or voice concern if you are not 101% expert.
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