SE Please Sell Gil

[grey1234]

Making the game P2W to fight bots is a very poor idea.

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

[Skivvy]

The game is already "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots. I'd pay 1000/month to play this game with fewer bots, hands down.

It most definitely can get far more P2W than being able to boost characters to level 70 (not max) or to complete older MSQ. Is this your first MMO by chance? Bots are just a part of online games. Some handle them better than others, but they are always a thing. Simply allowing players to buy gil is not the best solution.

[grey1234]

It most definitely can get far more P2W than being able to boost characters to level 70 (not max) or to complete older MSQ. Is this your first MMO by chance? Bots are just a part of online games. Some handle them better than others, but they are always a thing. Simply allowing players to buy gil is not the best solution.

I've played several MMORPGs for years, starting with Everquest (and before that text muds). Bots are a part of online games for sure, I'm not debating that. But the level of botting in FFXIV at the point is too much. Way too much.

[Edax]

The game is already "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that.

That is factually wrong.

lol @ people thinking being able to buy gil is P2W. What are you even buying with your gil that's making you "win"? I'm sitting on over 200Mil because I have nothing to spend it on.

For one it'd make the Eden raids next to pointless since gil provides comparable gear. I'm sitting on 150 mil but I could spend it on getting 450 gear sets for all my jobs or melding my crafting gear to be relevant for 5.1 ahead of time if I so desired. I'd essentially "win" at crafting since I'd make no effort to craft the absolute best in no time at all if I could just use real money to get there day 1. The estimated cost of a future proof set of crafting gear for all jobs is 60.7M (https://www.xivcraftingguide.com/505...als#gear-melds). Even for the players swimming in gil, that's a lot to gamble on a capitalist venture that might not even pay for itself.

[Raldo]

For one it'd make the Eden raids next to pointless since gil provides comparable gear. I'm sitting on 150 mil but I could spend it on getting 450 gear sets for all my jobs or melding my crafting gear to be relevant for 5.1 ahead of time if I so desired. I'd essentially "win" at crafting since I'd make no effort to craft the absolute best in no time at all if I could just use real money to get there day 1.

I don't see a problem here. People usually complain about P2W in the context that it negatively affects other players' experience. This doesn't affect anyone but yourself, and I'd be more than happy to let people pay real money to fast-track their way to their own weird personal satisfaction.

"But it would make Eden dead content!"
I assure you, there would not be enough people spending real money to make Eden dead content.

[Edax]

This doesn't affect anyone but yourself, and I'd be more than happy to let people pay real money to fast-track their way to their own weird personal satisfaction.

That is factually wrong. It ruins the economy when there's no point in putting in effort.

I'm quitting

The game is already "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots. I'd pay 1000/month to play this game with fewer bots, hands down.

I think you should stick with your first impulse because your willingness to throw away thousands of dollars for an MMORPG is unhealthy. It also hints at your willingness to engage in P2W if your willing to throw around that much money. Just because you might want P2W doesn't mean everyone else does. Walk away before this potential addiction destroys you.

[Raldo]

That is factually wrong. It ruins the economy when there's no point in putting in effort.

By... making crafting materials more expensive? Maybe the finished gear more expensive? Things that no one actually needs to buy? Yeah, try again.

[Edax]

By... making crafting materials more expensive? Things that no one actually needs to buy? Yeah, try again.

That's a non sequitur.

[Raldo]

That's a non sequitur.

Cool. I don't know what that means, and I don't care enough to look it up.

The game already creates gil from nothing hand-over-fist. I doubt being able to buy gil would greatly affect the economy. If it was done similar to the WoW tokens where the gil wasn't created from scratch, but rather sold from other PCs, I don't see a problem. Do people playing WoW still complain about the existence of those tokens? (Do they still exist? idk I haven't heard about it in years)

[linay]

People usually complain about P2W in the context that it negatively affects other players' experience.

Increasing supply of gil could increase prices on the market board. That would affect my experience negatively.