SE Please Sell Gil

[Edax]

This doesn't affect anyone but yourself, and I'd be more than happy to let people pay real money to fast-track their way to their own weird personal satisfaction.

That is factually wrong. It ruins the economy when there's no point in putting in effort.

I'm quitting

The game is already "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots. I'd pay 1000/month to play this game with fewer bots, hands down.

I think you should stick with your first impulse because your willingness to throw away thousands of dollars for an MMORPG is unhealthy. It also hints at your willingness to engage in P2W if your willing to throw around that much money. Just because you might want P2W doesn't mean everyone else does. Walk away before this potential addiction destroys you.

[linay]

People usually complain about P2W in the context that it negatively affects other players' experience.

Increasing supply of gil could increase prices on the market board. That would affect my experience negatively.

[Akonyl]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

Getting people to the most recent expansion with mediocre gear is really tame as far as P2W goes, it definitely does get more P2W than that.

Being able to buy gil actually affects the top end of the game, when people are able to buy all the materia/crafting mats they would ever need on day 1 of a patch to help them progress quicker, and end up completely destroying economies for non-$$payers.

Being able to buy levels hardly affects anyone else beyond "why doesn't this guy know how to play his class?", which could easily be the case from just doing PotD spam anyway.

[Pinen]

The number of bots is really quite distracting as of late - not sure if it's because they added in some kind of rudimentary teleportation check, but the bots are far more visible and it completely destroys immersion and the fantasy setting (i.e. the whole point of playing a RPG) seeing scrabble bag characters flying around and popping under the map.

The 'ban wave' strategy has failed, it's equivalent to doing nothing. There's plenty of solutions proposed by the community, but at the end of the day I believe SE underestimates the discouraging impact seeing these bots has on players, and it will affect retention and playerbase numbers in the long term if they continue their legacy of inaction. For every vocal minority (OP) there are dozens of players fed up with the unfairness and injustice of the ongoing problem. Few people will want to play a multiplayer game where cheaters are so blatantly dismissed and rewarded for their misdeeds.

[Naoki34]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

FFXIV is P2Skin not P2W. And P2Fast with the potion jump 70.
the term P2W means that pay give a real advantage with the stuff and ingame power, out of that is not the case.

And worst idea ever, give the game the opportunity to buy gils, it will kill even more ingame economy, I guess you say that too because you do not craft.
This way gives so much money if you know how to do it.

[Lunavi]

FFXIV is P2Skin not P2W. And P2Fast with the potion jump 70.
the term P2W means that pay give a real advantage with the stuff and ingame power, out of that is not the case.

And worst idea ever, give the game the opportunity to buy gils, it will kill even more ingame economy, I guess you say that too because you do not craft.
This way gives so much money if you know how to do it.

When WoW tokens were implemented in WoW it actually helped its economy, so if you go that route I do not see any harm done as rather than devaluing Gil, there is an extra value to Gil to people who have a lot of it.

[JunseiKei]

When WoW tokens were implemented in WoW it actually helped its economy, so if you go that route I do not see any harm done as rather than devaluing Gil, there is an extra value to Gil to people who have a lot of it.

Can you provide evidence of this statement?

The first few things I find are at ends of your statement:
Concern 1
Concern 2
Concern 3

If it truly helped the economy, when I search for something along the lines of this topic, I should at least see some positive or neutral stances (knowing full well there will always be doomsayers and those expressing concerns). Also, it just sounds like WoW's economy is a bit F.U.B.A.R. as is and this just compounded it.

EDIT:
Speaking about this as someone who has never touched WoW, doesn't care for WoW, doesn't care to devote any real effort to find information regarding anything to WoW nor how hard it is to even attain gold in WoW. It doesn't change how concerning it is for a single 'token' cost as high as 590k gold in the last year of that game using this site. If it was anything like an older game I played with a similar exchange as WoW, 200k-500k is definitely much harder to obtain and promotes throwing real world cash to progress that the concerns I brought up address.

The last thing I'd ever want to see in FFXIV is food or pots going for 100k per 1.

[RoyalBeef]

When WoW tokens were implemented in WoW it actually helped its economy, so if you go that route I do not see any harm done as rather than devaluing Gil, there is an extra value to Gil to people who have a lot of it.

I remember when they introduced such tokens to Everquest, I was playing on a classic server at that time. The effect was that inflation of gold happened so rapidly,the tokens became kind of the new alternative currency because their value in gold would increase corresponding to the gold inflation. Whenever you made enough gold to buy one, you should do it, because 2 days later it would be worth twice the amount of gold, meaning if you held on to your gold you lost 50% of your wealth over night. Most traders would only sell high level items in exchange for tokens, no one would accept gold anymore. It was a fkn disaster and it didn't stop botters either, they would farm high level items, sell them for tokens, then sell the tokens for real money.

[RoyalBeef]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

There is no P2W in PVE games. What do you win by buying a Savage clear? Nothing. it doesn't help you in PVP, nor does it enable you to do anything another person couldn't do. What do you win by buying jump potion? Nothing, I leveled my MCH from 30 to 80 in 9 days. There is no "winning" in PVE.

[Valic]

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

Why are people so stupid confusing pay to win with pay to progress every time they see anything that isn't aesthetic in the cash shop...

Leveled chars (limited to one btw), and boosting tHrough MSQ (content that isn't difficult by any means to clear as is) are NOT pay to win related at all. They don't give you gear to do further content, they don't teach you your job, there is no benefit other than saving your time. Time is money and vice versa, but it doesn't by power/clears or anything that would give an advantage over a player. To put it more clearly, a player who buys a level skip, and a MSQ skip.... will be in the same spot as a player who does the MSQ and levels a character. The only difference is the time spent doing so and how quickly it's done.

All that said, this thread concept is retarded lol. I don't use that term often but I literally tilted my head when I read the title and just face-palmed with how stupid the logic is. By this same logic, fire burning down a forest is too much to handle and it's not getting cleared.... Can they just burn down the whole forest so the fire can't do anymore? 4HEAD.