SE Please Sell Gil

[alimdia]

Buying power.

Oh? Which shop sells max ilvl gear for gil?

Clearly there's a market for this black market gil or the spam bots wouldn't be flooding the starting city states with their illicit advertisements. If gil is largely useless as you say, these botters wouldn't be wasting their time and money selling it.

There being a market for it =/= gil is pay to win. Nice ignoring the rest of my comment.

Retainers and level boosts still have you work to make use of them. Level boosts don't get you to max level and don't teach you how to play the job. Retainers don't help you with acquiring the items to sell and you still have to work on each retainer. Gil/token directly get you whatever gil gets you that you want that gives you advantage over other potential buyer that may not have the gil.

"You have to work to use them" is not an argument, it's still a massive advantage people who don't pay for them don't get.

You don't have to know how to play a job to get the 500k gil from level boosts, i don't even know what are you talking about.

Retainers DO help you acquire items, it's called ventures. And for selling regular items, someone with 200 sale slots can make more money than someone with 40 sale slots.

Retainers give people advantage that others who don't pay for extra retainers don't get. If sub tokens were pay to win, then so is this extra gil income people get by paying extra for retainers.

[Edax]

Ignoring the weird and inappropriate analogy, what are you winning with gil? How does the existence of gil farming bots mean you can "win" the game with gil? When did they add tradeable raid gear that you can buy with gil? When did they add a PvP auto win button that costs gil? Enlighten me.

Oh? Which shop sells max ilvl gear for gil?

There being a market for it =/= gil is pay to win. Nice ignoring the rest of my comment.

You're leading the question. You want to taking about winning the game, then we'd need to agree what a winner of FFXIV is.
Otherwise paying real money for advantages over other players is known as P2W. You need not consider "win" so literally.

[linay]

"You have to work to use them" is not an argument, it's still a massive advantage people who don't pay for them don't get.

It is an argument as it puts it into pay to play territory, not pay to win. You don't compete in leveling and having more retainer doesn't prevent others from putting up their own retainer. You do, however, compete in what you buy in the market board as anything you buy with your gil is now unavailable for anyone else unless you sell it back.

You don't have to know how to play a job to get the 500k gil from level boosts, i don't even know what are you talking about.

That's an argument against leveling boost = pay to win. The 500k gil is irrelevant, otherwise there is no point for this thread.

Retainers DO help you acquire items, it's called ventures. And for selling regular items, someone with 200 sale slots can make more money than someone with 40 sale slots.

Retainers give people advantage that others who don't pay for extra retainers don't get. If sub tokens were pay to win, then so is this extra gil income people get by paying extra for retainers.

Being able to sell more is irrelevant because you're still supplying those items and ventures. Having more retainers doesn't automatically get you those.

[Duskane]

Level boost,Story skips or this Gil boost don't fall under p2w

Not like any of this clears stuff for you

Official rmt would kill the MB bots don't
Lesser of two evils

[Dzian]

Level boost,Story skips or this Gil boost don't fall under p2w

Not like any of this clears stuff for you

technically they do. so do additional retainers in some ways..

Pay-to-Win is any micro transaction that gives you an in game advantage over players who don't pay.

so level boosts, quest skips, even additional retainers are all pay to win because you all give you an advantage over other players.

retainers give you more space to sell stuff thus an advantage on the markets and opportunity to earn money at an increased rate. plus gather fater if you have like 8 mining retainers or something compared to a person with just 2...

story skips and quest jumps offer some fairly obvious advantages to players. especially with how laborious arr msq is

[347SPECTRE]

No

/10 char

[SerLuke]

The game is already "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots. I'd pay 1000/month to play this game with fewer bots, hands down.

$1000 a month? Troll thread confirmed

[grey1234]

$1000 a month? Troll thread confirmed

I'll delete that line if you think it is "trolling." But no, not a troll thread, not an exaggeration. I am 100% completely honest on that.

[Jimmymagic]

Please do not even entertain the idea for P2W. Enough MMO have done that already and ruined the game for noobs.

Although I agree with the bots being out of control, selling gil for rl money brings a tremendous burden to those who earned in game money by grinding, crafting, gathering and utilizing MB. IMO is a just a terrible fix for a terrible problem.

Devs are more worried bout content, adjustments, playability...etc
Perhaps if they more resources to make in game security coding. I m not sure if that's realistic. I'm not a programmer, but surely they could implement something.