Two months into Shadowbringers, do you find yourself still using Trusts?

[MomomiMomi]

Do you kill everything? Are you the tank or the DD/healer? My runs go a bit faster when I am not the tank because the NPC tank can take more damage. I am not at the vault yet with them but anything under 50, especially when I want everything will take quite the time. I am not sure if 15 minutes is possible then.

I've used them as all three roles. Most of the time I do kill everything. There are some exceptions, like Dzemael Darkhold where there's stuff that requires you to go quite out of your way to get to them. In cases like that, you get more exp/hr if you just skip them.

Also, as a tank, you can turn your tank stance off if you're really struggling. The dps can honestly tank better than you.

[Jybril]

They could really do with them using AoE spells, sometimes, at least.
I get that they don't want to make them overshadow real players but
it wouldn't hurt to give them a little more tweaking.

My favourite thing about Trust are the fact they know all mechs, so if you're anxious and stuff, just follow the leader
and they always get it right. Plus, they won't leave PT if you happen to mess up or scream at you lol.

Excellent addition to the game, hope to see them expand to earlier levels too.

[SerLuke]

2-3 times longer? Of course if you have a great player group you might be able to finish these dungeons (with good gear) in maybe 15 minutes but three times longer would be 45 minutes. Honestly most of my runs are around 30 minutes with them and for most random groups thats probably only like 10 minutes longer. (And as a DD I have zero wait time)

Yeah I agree, I’ve never had a trust run take longer than 30 minutes unless I’m afking between pulls.

[Anne-]

Hell yes I am. The trust system is one of the best things from this expansion in my opinion.

I'm currently unto getting every class to 80, focusing on my PLD and MNK at the moment, both around lvl 63/64. I can't wait to have them at lvl 71 and jump into trusts again. Yes, runs take longer, but zero waiting time, no stress with random people and getting the gear every time... the pros simply outweigh the cons for me.

[Daralii]

I've been putting off leveling them, but want to in the event they're available for future story dungeons. It's another thing on my bucket list that's probably never going to get checked off.

[EdwinLi]

Hell yes I am. The trust system is one of the best things from this expansion in my opinion.

I'm currently unto getting every class to 80, focusing on my PLD and MNK at the moment, both around lvl 63/64. I can't wait to have them at lvl 71 and jump into trusts again. Yes, runs take longer, but zero waiting time, no stress with random people and getting the gear every time... the pros simply outweigh the cons for me.

Not to mention you don't have to fight people for the Minions.

Can confirm that Minions still drop with Trust Dungeons on the FInal Boss chest as I already got 2 of them being the Black Shiba Inu dog from the lvl 71 Dungeon and the Armadillo one from the lvl 77 dungeon.

Yeah I agree, I’ve never had a trust run take longer than 30 minutes unless I’m afking between pulls.

I think these people are over exaggerting the amount of time Trust Dungeons takes to complete. The Average time I have taken is usually between 25 to 35 minutes depending on the time I been lazy with 30 minutes being the average which is a normal time a player group normally spend if they only do one group pull at a time.

I think they have just become too use to Mass pulls and clicking the only 2 or 3 AoE skills for Speedruns which normally averge between 15 to 20 minutes for me (depending on how long the Boss fights takes and length it takes for mobs to die which greatly depends on the gear and what skills are used).

I don't even think some of these people can even do a 10 minute player group run unless they are unsync leveled in the dungeons or always playing with super optimal geared endgame player parties that materia their gear to the most optimal stats.

[Alleo]

I've used them as all three roles. Most of the time I do kill everything. There are some exceptions, like Dzemael Darkhold where there's stuff that requires you to go quite out of your way to get to them. In cases like that, you get more exp/hr if you just skip them.

Also, as a tank, you can turn your tank stance off if you're really struggling. The dps can honestly tank better than you.

I am not sure if its a sign of great coding if you need to not be the tank as a tank to survive. IMO just fix the healer AI and a lot of headaches would be gone.

Still you must be quite good at it because I finally finished the Aurum Vale runs and I cant see how that will ever be cleared by me in less than 19-20 minutes. I cant tank more than two packs at a time and my tank died when I pulled half of the first room. Then the wait for each of the morbol "children" to spawn because they give much more exp that way and then later if you let the tank pull big it can go quite wrong because they are all over attacking different NPCs because the tank is too slow.

I just prefer trusts. They might be slower but had me less annoyed at the same time. And I would say 97% of the times that I died was because I made a mistake..only the first boss at Holminster as a tank was a problem because the healer first did not heal me. But turning him a bit and moving near them solved that.

[MomomiMomi]

I am not sure if its a sign of great coding if you need to not be the tank as a tank to survive. IMO just fix the healer AI and a lot of headaches would be gone.

Trusts are definitely better designed. They actually put effort into them. Meanwhile, squadrons were made OP simply so that they wouldn't have to put a ton of effort into designing them. I just wish trusts were better designed and just as good as the squadrons. Either increase their damage, make them AoE, or both.

[EdwinLi]

Trusts are definitely better designed. They actually put effort into them. Meanwhile, squadrons were made OP simply so that they wouldn't have to put a ton of effort into designing them. I just wish trusts were better designed and just as good as the squadrons. Either increase their damage, make them AoE, or both.

I don't think just straight up increasing damage nor adding AoE skills only when they are fighting large mobs may make them interesting.

I am more in line with them developing the Trust system into a more RPG aspect for the system such as a Skill tree to choose how players want to develop each Trust individual similar other FF games that have NPC party members. Maybe even allow Trust to Unlock their own Solo LB so they no longer use the Player's LB bar.

Trust is a Solo experience but not meant to replace Player parties nor Player party speedruns of 15 minutes or less. It is meant to give a more Solo RPG/Story Instance experience to the MSQ Dungeons thus the development of Trust may be more interesting if they developed the experience to be a bit more unique from Player group experiences. Yes, giving the abiltiy to improve each Trust individual in the players own way will still increase the speed the Trust complete dungeons due to being stronger and introducing Solo LB to Trust companions but it is not going to be too major to a point they become a alternative to 15 minute speedruns certain players seem to be obsessed with making Trust parties into. Average I expect the improvements may only make things run a bit faster between the 20 to 30 minute mark considering averge right now for players is a 25 to 35 minute mark.

[Enla]

Trusts are way too boring for me to do more than maybe once or twice a week, if that. I'm exceedingly grateful to the team for providing us with a stress free way to test out classes we might not be entirely familiar with and very much feel Trusts are a net positive for the game. I just can't handle how long the dungeons take though. If I wanted to fall asleep doing content, I'd go level fishing some more.

All in all cool feature, love and understand why it was made the way it was, but it's not my cup of tea. And that is alright, not everything in this game needs to cater to me.