SE better do something or the game will drop dead

[Bucho]

No offence intended KaiKatzchen as i wasnt referring to any post and i have read all of them on this thred upto this point, im talking about the gamers in general, everyone complained even in FFXI, no matter if we got something 90% liked, it wasnt enough and noone was ok with something, and the other 10% would hate on it.

Most of the "Elite" crews think that having a weapon from doing a boss battle makes you elite, or spending hours upon hours aquiring the hard to get weapons somehow makes you elite, and i admit i had a bunch of endgame weapons/armors for FFXI, but i was nothing if not embarrassed for spending so much time getting them.

I was just saying, focusing only on endgame content is a major drawback i think they devs should consider, they make the hard to get items take years to get, cause they want you to spend your whole life getting it, when i would rather be playing the game.

Content doesnt mean another boss battle every 3 months, and i wanted to make sure and clarify that, content is 20-50 more quests for levels 1-50 every few weeks, till theres so much to do people never can say they are bored.

and honestly, 20 quests in 2 weeks seriously is not asking much, it doesnt take long to script something like that in, do a quest test to make sure all aspects flow through the npcs evenly and submit it to the game servers.

and before anyone says anything, yes i have experience programming my own personal games just for fun, as im sure many other gamers have tried now and then, and i do know the difficulties in getting things to work sometimes.

I also have nothing but respect for the devs and hope they bring this game to fruition truely, as i am a current subscriber and would like to stay so, but thats my main gripe, its been out over a year and started a new character, only to find around 10 total quests in ALL cities, between levels 1-20, yes the game has bugs, but this amount of lack of content astounds me. I too am extreamly excited about the 2.0 plans and am excited to do all the things they talk about. I played FFXI since day 2 of its release and i want to do the same on FFXIV

[Murugan]

No offence intended KaiKatzchen as i wasnt referring to any post and i have read all of them on this thred upto this point, im talking about the gamers in general, everyone complained even in FFXI, no matter if we got something 90% liked, it wasnt enough and noone was ok with something, and the other 10% would hate on it.

Most of the "Elite" crews think that having a weapon from doing a boss battle makes you elite, or spending hours upon hours aquiring the hard to get weapons somehow makes you elite, and i admit i had a bunch of endgame weapons/armors for FFXI, but i was nothing if not embarrassed for spending so much time getting them.

I was just saying, focusing only on endgame content is a major drawback i think they devs should consider, they make the hard to get items take years to get, cause they want you to spend your whole life getting it, when i would rather be playing the game.

Content doesnt mean another boss battle every 3 months, and i wanted to make sure and clarify that, content is 20-50 more quests for levels 1-50 every few weeks, till theres so much to do people never can say they are bored.

and honestly, 20 quests in 2 weeks seriously is not asking much, it doesnt take long to script something like that in, do a quest test to make sure all aspects flow through the npcs evenly and submit it to the game servers.

and before anyone says anything, yes i have experience programming my own personal games just for fun, as im sure many other gamers have tried now and then, and i do know the difficulties in getting things to work sometimes.

I also have nothing but respect for the devs and hope they bring this game to fruition truely, as i am a current subscriber and would like to stay so, but thats my main gripe, its been out over a year and started a new character, only to find around 10 total quests in ALL cities, between levels 1-20, yes the game has bugs, but this amount of lack of content astounds me. I too am extreamly excited about the 2.0 plans and am excited to do all the things they talk about. I played FFXI since day 2 of its release and i want to do the same on FFXIV

You could give me hundreds of thousands of quests 1-50 every few weeks, I'd be bored.

The vast majority of quests in MMO's are horribly boring. Maybe people like endgame content because it is actually challenging, fun, and something you can do with a group of friends. Not just there to mindlessly kill time with like quests.


It doesn't take long to do those types of quests because they are simplistic and nothing but time sinks. The absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of quality content. Many people get zero enjoyment out of doing them, so it doesn't matter how many we get. Why don't you put that stuff in that game you are making for yourself. Some of us have higher standards for what constitutes entertainment than a fed ex quest, or crushing a pack of swamp rats for 10 different reasons/people a week, and we also play these MMO's.

Excuse me while I play the game how I like to play it.

[Yelta_Sumasu]

There has to be content for all playstyles at all levels, nothing else will satisfy even 90% of players. We need a massive amount of content and some of it will only make 2% happy. I hate PVP but I know this game needs some PVP content for those who do and I just will not do it. I will go do what interests me. There does need to be balance and that will be the real challenge for SE.

[Kinseykinz]

I'm one of those masochist peeps who been on the game since beta... and i have to tell you when i log in and I find no one to do anything even though there is people online i feel not desire to play. the HNMs... and whatever is there is burnt already so people just log in for 10 mins say hi then leave making very difficult to do anything and if i wanted to play solo I buy a F...ing offline game.
I believe SE did a bad move start charging now.
they should wait until 2.0 or when the PS3 community joined us so whoever was leaving would not feel so bad as it feels now....
SE please read this and make sure you do something.
1- ADD more content like dinamis or something making people comeback on regular basis
2- Merge servers
3- ADD Roaming HNMs that is require more than 8 people to kill it.

the game is in need of more content where not only 8 players are require to kill something
4- As humans we always like to show our superiority to others , which it means we need content to compete against another LSs... as well

short words

DO SOMETHING TO MAKE PEOPLE COMEBACK ..

Best Regards

I understand it's depressing and lonely to not find people to do the stuff in game you want to do right now easily. That being said, this is probably the lowest the population will ever be. Once jobs come out with patch 1.21, more people will decide to pay sub fees and come back. (I know of several on my server for example). After patch 1.21 and as we move towards 2.0, people will slowly come back. Mainly so they can play through the storyline/content that will be unavailable post 2.0 and because they will be curious etc. So be patient, people will come back/ new players will start emerging.

2. As to your wish-list of content you'd like now, I am not trying to say we shouldn't have it or expect it BUT it makes no sense for SE to waste time and energy atm on content that might be difficult to code on this server (like player housing for example) when they plan on slowly porting the game over to the new server engines around Spring (if i remember the 2.0 details correctly). Also, dynamis and events of the like were meant for endgame levels. We are all currently stuck at mid-level. I know we all call rank 50 endgame, but it's really not and I think SE has a fine line to balance between creating content to keep the small active community happy and over-doing what content will exist at the rank 50 level. This being said, it WOULD be nice for them to take some of the battles/content they already have promised us pre 2.0 and make it for small 2-4 man parties. That way, it would be easier to group etc.

As to if charging now was good or bad: If people play the game 1-3 times a week or more, they must enjoy something about it. SE deserves money for that. If however, they don't play that often, then maybe it IS best to take a break at the moment. Just because something is free doesn't make it good, nor does paying for something make it worse.

SE could have shut the game down completely, wiped our characters and said, sorry game was crap, come back when we re-write it. Instead, they allowed us to keep our characters, progression, and data and even have been creating content JUST for those still playing. They didn't need to do any of this...and honestly, it would be quicker and easier and more cost efficient for them to have shut the game down. So while I understand the frustration that content isn't coming as quickly as you'd like, and others having lost their patience with waiting, have stopped playing, SE was trying to do something nice for the loyal players in giving is what we DO have. (Afterall, even if you didn't log back in game until 2.0, you'd have 5 rank 50 classes and all your gil, equipment etc...that in and of itself is more gracious than most gaming companies who produced a 'flop' they fixed would be)

[Bucho]

Allow me to refer Murugan to another thread where he qualifies as the 1% of gamers who like games to be difficult because he assumes everyone like him has no life and must spend it all online to prove his manhood, i hate to break it to you bro, but 99% of gamers want something simplistic -> challenging, not overly complicated or just annoying, and its people like you, that made FFXI never reach WoW status, not in gameplay, but in popularity, as it had the potential to do so, i had 9 friends join FFXI with me when it started, and only 3 made it past the first 6 months, and only 1 after the first year.

And by the way as i really dont care about actually refering you to the thread, as you like a challenge, you can look it up yourself.

For people who arent haters who want to hate, below is the reason quests work no matter how many there are;

The additional quests give players who can only play an hour a day, an alternative way to build experience without joining a party and commiting to hours of gameplay at a time.

Whats even worse is the fact that putting in a single boss that takes 20 people to kill, apart from the actual design of a potentially "new" enemy, requires even less time then scripting a few quests, and that alone shows how much time they spent giving you "what you want."

and you should infact be requesting even more content in bosses than i am in quests. but hey, if your mind can get hung up by fighting the exact same thing, over and over for months on end, who am i to argue. I obviously have no idea what im talking about...

[Murugan]

Allow me to refer Murugan to another thread where he qualifies as the 1% of gamers who like games to be difficult because he assumes everyone like him has no life and must spend it all online to prove his manhood, i hate to break it to you bro, but 99% of gamers want something simplistic -> challenging, not overly complicated or just annoying, and its people like you, that made FFXI never reach WoW status, not in gameplay, but in popularity, as it had the potential to do so, i had 9 friends join FFXI with me when it started, and only 3 made it past the first 6 months, and only 1 after the first year.

And by the way as i really dont care about actually refering you to the thread, as you like a challenge, you can look it up yourself.

For people who arent haters who want to hate, below is the reason quests work no matter how many there are;

The additional quests give players who can only play an hour a day, an alternative way to build experience without joining a party and commiting to hours of gameplay at a time.

Whats even worse is the fact that putting in a single boss that takes 20 people to kill, apart from the actual design of a potentially "new" enemy, requires even less time then scripting a few quests, and that alone shows how much time they spent giving you "what you want."

and you should infact be requesting even more content in bosses than i am in quests. but hey, if your mind can get hung up by fighting the exact same thing, over and over for months on end, who am i to argue. I obviously have no idea what im talking about...

Hate to break it to you bud, but I don't exactly play 24/7. I'm just not a brain dead moron who thinks repetitive quest grinding= great times in MMOland. Which is what you asked for instead of new endgame content.

I made tons of friends in XI over the years, and enjoy playing with a whole bunch of people in this game. Sounds like a personal problem you have, and not something you should blame on the lack of lame pointless quests for you to likely do by yourself, without talking/coordinating/or having to play with anyone else (you know how most people actually make friends in MMO's).

Go climb in a refrigerator box, you don't need a multi-million dollar online game to meet your high standards for "entertainment".

[knite23]

Allow me to refer Murugan to another thread where he qualifies as the 1% of gamers who like games to be difficult because he assumes everyone like him has no life and must spend it all online to prove his manhood, i hate to break it to you bro, but 99% of gamers want something simplistic -> challenging, not overly complicated or just annoying, and its people like you, that made FFXI never reach WoW status, not in gameplay, but in popularity, as it had the potential to do so, i had 9 friends join FFXI with me when it started, and only 3 made it past the first 6 months, and only 1 after the first year.

And by the way as i really dont care about actually refering you to the thread, as you like a challenge, you can look it up yourself.

For people who arent haters who want to hate, below is the reason quests work no matter how many there are;

The additional quests give players who can only play an hour a day, an alternative way to build experience without joining a party and commiting to hours of gameplay at a time.

Whats even worse is the fact that putting in a single boss that takes 20 people to kill, apart from the actual design of a potentially "new" enemy, requires even less time then scripting a few quests, and that alone shows how much time they spent giving you "what you want."

and you should infact be requesting even more content in bosses than i am in quests. but hey, if your mind can get hung up by fighting the exact same thing, over and over for months on end, who am i to argue. I obviously have no idea what im talking about...

lmao man people are just asking to be roasted today.... im more than happy to do the honors lmao your first statment rofl 1% dude who are you kidding anyone who lasted in FF11 sees 14 as a joke and rather it be harder i came from wow because it was to easy and any 5-6 year old can get on there and do everything in that game with ease. buy that game don't come here and make ff14 wow. lmao 99% of gamers you've been playing wow for to long sir and evidently didnt play it since the beginning most of the truly skilled players left a long before ice crown due to the fact it was to easy and than you gave wow a status dude lmao your in the wrong place for that. yea i likes wow status you don't even have to read to play it yep its really popular amongst the 8-9 year olds now. my lil bro played my account when he was 7 and won a 1v1 on his first day playing on my character and asked why do i play this lmao because i want to die slowly i said. lastly you said you had 9 friend 1 lasted after a year that statement makes my day why cause ff11 saved alot of parties from having scrubs and none dedicated people in their ls. it helped the actual good people not waste their time and money on scrubs who cant take the heat combo so you proved that you and friends cant handle a game that takes actual skill and dedication Combo2 you put wow and FF14 in the same sentence as their some type of comparisonFinish him i think you should go back to wow leave FF14 to the grown ups and we let you have wow dude just because you said you and your friends couldn't last a year on FF11 makes the rest of your argument void presses the eject button officially chopped and screwed by Karma Knite


p.s. if you want i will give you my wow account was going to sell it to this 10year old for 200 dollars that he got for christmas but i think you need it more LMAO officially ROASTED

[Zoltan]

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[knite23]

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lol you sound mad bro??

[Xoo]

So you're practically saying that even if the game is undergoing an overhaul (we're not talking about APB:Reloaded bullcrap, a complete overhaul from the core) there's no chance that a game that has failed at the start can be recovered in the future.

I don't think I've ever seen a more close-minded guess than that one.

Your original argument was that "SE knows what the fuck they're doing", implying that the game would not fail, wherein I replied with a request for evidence. Being that A. The launch was a total failure due to the very pre-mature release of a major title; B. A high number of players had left the game within 5 months (and not returned) due to many of the game's shortcomings; C. Square-Enix has been doing this long enough to know better; D. They have a highly successful MMO title under their belt, and instead of importing something other than PC models from that game, they try to rewrite the book. IE: Fatigue system, Market wards, etc.

Isn't it just as closed-minded for you to look at the points I've just made and still remain absolutely positive that the game will not flop again? I'm not saying the game can't or won't do better in the future. What I'm saying is, is don't count your chickens before they've hatched with this company.