SE better do something or the game will drop dead

[Renshi]

That will fail or has been failing from the start? Two words: Past evidence.

So you're practically saying that even if the game is undergoing an overhaul (we're not talking about APB:Reloaded bullcrap, a complete overhaul from the core) there's no chance that a game that has failed at the start can be recovered in the future.

I don't think I've ever seen a more close-minded guess than that one.

[Xoo]

So you're practically saying that even if the game is undergoing an overhaul (we're not talking about APB:Reloaded bullcrap, a complete overhaul from the core) there's no chance that a game that has failed at the start can be recovered in the future.

I don't think I've ever seen a more close-minded guess than that one.

Your original argument was that "SE knows what the fuck they're doing", implying that the game would not fail, wherein I replied with a request for evidence. Being that A. The launch was a total failure due to the very pre-mature release of a major title; B. A high number of players had left the game within 5 months (and not returned) due to many of the game's shortcomings; C. Square-Enix has been doing this long enough to know better; D. They have a highly successful MMO title under their belt, and instead of importing something other than PC models from that game, they try to rewrite the book. IE: Fatigue system, Market wards, etc.

Isn't it just as closed-minded for you to look at the points I've just made and still remain absolutely positive that the game will not flop again? I'm not saying the game can't or won't do better in the future. What I'm saying is, is don't count your chickens before they've hatched with this company.

[Renshi]

Your original argument was that "SE knows what the fuck they're doing", implying that the game would not fail, wherein I replied with a request for evidence. Being that A. The launch was a total failure due to the very pre-mature release of a major title; B. A high number of players had left the game within 5 months (and not returned) due to many of the game's shortcomings; C. Square-Enix has been doing this long enough to know better; D. They have a highly successful MMO title under their belt, and instead of importing something other than PC models from that game, they try to rewrite the book. IE: Fatigue system, Market wards, etc.

Isn't it just as closed-minded for you to look at the points I've just made and still remain absolutely positive that the game will not flop again? I'm not saying the game can't or won't do better in the future. What I'm saying is, is don't count your chickens before they've hatched with this company.

For starter, it's "SE knows what the f*ck they're doing".
Just think out of the box.
Being the CEO of Square-Enix, you wouldn't invest on a title that is destined to fail, rite? You want it to succeed. That's why they know what the f*ck they're doing; because they are going to rise FFXIV from the grave with a plan in mind. Therefore they know what the f*ck they're doing. Just please don't let me explain this wasting my f*cking time =)

(not related to your points)
A. If it's gonna fail, it's just money thrown in the bath tube.
B. The game, differently from the other failed games, is getting changes to the Core. We are not talking about games that have undergone failing periods trying to get up and putting the same sh*t again. They're putting something that will change the world of Final Fantasy XIV.

I don't know how somebody can get pessimist knowing all of this. Plus, we're getting more content in the future, and people likes content.
But at the end we'll see at 2.0 who is right between you and me =)

[Coldfire]

I just hope 2.0 doesn't end up like DNF <.<

[Xoo]

For starter, it's "SE knows what the f*ck they're doing".
Just think out of the box.
Being the CEO of Square-Enix, you wouldn't invest on a title that is destined to fail, rite? You want it to succeed. That's why they know what the f*ck they're doing; because they are going to rise FFXIV from the grave with a plan in mind. Therefore they know what the f*ck they're doing. Just please don't let me explain this wasting my f*cking time =)

(not related to your points)
A. If it's gonna fail, it's just money thrown in the bath tube.
B. The game, differently from the other failed games, is getting changes to the Core. We are not talking about games that have undergone failing periods trying to get up and putting the same sh*t again. They're putting something that will change the world of Final Fantasy XIV.

I don't know how somebody can get pessimist knowing all of this. Plus, we're getting more content in the future, and people likes content.
But at the end we'll see at 2.0 who is right between you and me =)

I'm with you on one thing: Wasting my time trying to state the obvious to you. Yoshida's influence has not made the game better. The number of people still playing the game directly reflects this. Now, who's at the forefront of v2.0? That's right: Yoshida.

[Renshi]

I'm with you on one thing: Wasting my time trying to state the obvious to you. Yoshida's influence has not made the game better. The number of people still playing the game directly reflects this. Now, who's at the forefront of v2.0? That's right: Yoshida.

So you say that Yoshida is going to make this game fail.
Prove your point =)

[Xoo]

So you say that Yoshida is going to make this game fail.
Prove your point =)

He has thus far. As you say, we shall see!

[Renshi]

He has thus far. As you say, we shall see!

At least I have points to backup my optimistic vision =)