Dark Knight: 5.0x Feedback Thread

[DemonicNeko]

That's not ignoring. Balance is only relevant so that no job is excluded in party setup. For 95% of the game, people don't care about party setup.

Right now we get the devs saying. "Ninja's have to be shit classes because of Trick Attack." Yet shadowbringers they where like. "You know in Stormblood utility was a major problems. So we got rid of a lot of Utility in the game." Seems like Utility in the game is a problem. Then again it might just be bad boss design. Devs are like. "You know what would be a good savage mechanics? Tripple tank busters." *face paws.* Yes, Bullet spungy boss fights that hit like a truck makes wonderful boss fights.

If bosses and utility where not such an eye sore problems. People would not care for party set up. It would be more about. "Can you stay alive? Can you not wipe the group?"

[shao32]

I like a lot of these idea's. Though I have to ask. Would Delirium removing mp cost not be an dps lost? Maybe if it did crit, direct hit bonus it would be an upgrade or if they made it like a 20 seconds buff.

not really, remember bloodspiller is a GCD and edge/flood are oGCD, in any case would be a dps gain and probably need a little nerf wich will be a overalll better desing bcs it will make TBN punishment a bit less harsh on the process.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Hmm, some other minor adjustments I'd make:

Abyssal Drain holds 2 charges, Quietus reduces the cooldown by 5s for every target hit.

Delirium reduces MP costs by 100%, instead of removing Blood costs. For a brief window filled with that vintage DA spam feel, but with Edge/Flood instead of DA.

Living Shadow will sometimes use deleted fan favourite animations like Scourge, just to mess with people.

In response to this post I have some criticisms;

For Abyssal Drain it would suffer the same problem that Plunge suffers right now, which makes me ask "Why does Plunge even have charges if it's basically going to be used whenever just 1 charge is ready like it used to be before it got a second charge?"

For Delirium... it's still a fell cleave spam...

For Living Shadow, you are asking to open an entire can of worms that the devs don't want to open right there.

[Jandor]

I like a lot of these idea's. Though I have to ask. Would Delirium removing mp cost not be an dps lost? Maybe if it did crit, direct hit bonus it would be an upgrade or if they made it like a 20 seconds buff.

Suppose it would be a DPS loss if you capped MP during the delirium window, better make sure you spend enough MP before hitting the Delirium button. Least it gives you something to think about on DRK.

In response to this post I have some criticisms;

For Abyssal Drain it would suffer the same problem that Plunge suffers right now, which makes me ask "Why does Plunge even have charges if it's basically going to be used whenever just 1 charge is ready like it used to be before it got a second charge?"

For Delirium... it's still a fell cleave spam...

For Living Shadow, you are asking to open an entire can of worms that the devs don't want to open right there.

Charges on AD serve two purposes, you can hold one back for the healing aspect in big pulls without losing DPS, and you can use two back-to-back on single targets so that the heal isn't quite so lame.

Delirium, well it'd probably feel more like the Machinist spam window what with it being an oGCD, but even then it wouldn't be identical because you'd still be doing your regular abilities as normal.
Mostly though I just don't want to ask for anything too radical because I don't want to wait till 6.0.

Living Shadow suggestion is a joke

[Reynhart]

Right now we get the devs saying. "Ninja's have to be shit classes because of Trick Attack." Yet shadowbringers they where like. "You know in Stormblood utility was a major problems. So we got rid of a lot of Utility in the game." Seems like Utility in the game is a problem. Then again it might just be bad boss design. Devs are like. "You know what would be a good savage mechanics? Tripple tank busters." *face paws.* Yes, Bullet spungy boss fights that hit like a truck makes wonderful boss fights.

Getting rid of utility is a big problem because it remove lots of uniqueness in jobs, and how you would decide which job to take. But, from my point of view, the biggest problem is the "one size fits all" party setup. Basically, the optimal setup is the same for every content you do. Depending on the content, some jobs shouls have pros and cons, somehow forcing you to not bring the optimal setup in raids since the weekly lockouts mostly prevents from gearing several jobs at the same time.

But, on the other side, I think people care too much about being "excluded". 95% of the content is done in pick-up where no one wil kick you just for being a "non-optimal" job, and for the other 5%, chances are you play with friends that will focus more on everybody playing jobs they like than them being optimal.

[Absimiliard]

But, on the other side, I think people care too much about being "excluded". 95% of the content is done in pick-up where no one wil kick you just for being a "non-optimal" job, and for the other 5%, chances are you play with friends that will focus more on everybody playing jobs they like than them being optimal.

Tell that to all the ninjas getting kicked excluded from PF groups, kicked from roulettes, etc. The top 5% of the game has asserted that ninja is not adequate - and granted, it isn't - in a very public way. This is having a trickle down effect wherein people on the job are suffering the consequences of its current state in areas of the game where it really doesn't even matter, oft times at the hands of people who are themselves nowhere near capable of doing endgame content. It's not a common sight right now, but we could end up with another pre-final coil dragoon situation if it gets left unchecked.

[shao32]

Tell that to all the ninjas getting kicked excluded from PF groups, kicked from roulettes, etc. The top 5% of the game has asserted that ninja is not adequate - and granted, it isn't - in a very public way. This is having a trickle down effect wherein people on the job are suffering the consequences of its current state in areas of the game where it really doesn't even better, oft times at the hands of people who are themselves nowhere near capable of doing endgame content. It's not a common sight right now, but we could end up with another pre-final coil dragoon situation if it gets left unchecked.

I think you are overexagerating nobody is kicking NIN for get one in roulettes apart of being stupid since NIN are not as bad in terms of numbers compared to other jobs that past for the same situation in the past is kinda pointless kick them for no reason and i see no one here or any place claiming being kicked like that after get in to a roulette. excluded from PF groups can be a thing but mostly on PF that are forming a static, on normal runs nobody cares and i being in a plenty of partys on PF and none of them lock NIN here on chaos since NIN is a viable job and is capable to clear everything, heck even my static have a NIN and we don't have DPS problems to clear any boss.

[Absimiliard]

I think you are overexagerating nobody is kicking NIN for get one in roulettes apart of being stupid since NIN are not as bad in terms of numbers compared to other jobs that past for the same situation in the past is kinda pointless kick them for no reason and i see no one here or any place claiming being kicked like that after get in to a roulette. excluded from PF groups can be a thing but mostly on PF that are forming a static, on normal runs nobody cares and i being in a plenty of partys on PF and none of them lock NIN here on chaos since NIN is a viable job and is capable to clear everything, heck even my static have a NIN and we don't have DPS problems to clear any boss.

I believe you have taken the wrong message away here. I didn't say they are justified in doing it. I said it's a thing happening rarely. Ninjas that are kicked for being ninjas have either run into terribad players that like to try and copy the bigwigs or had the misfortune of being grouped with people that think it's some kind of meme. In any case, your experiences are not everyone's experiences. You having not personally witnessed or participated in something does not mean it hasn't happened.

[shao32]

I believe you have taken the wrong message away here. I didn't say they are justified in doing it. I said it's a thing happening rarely. Ninjas that are kicked for being ninjas have either run into terribad players that like to try and copy the bigwigs or had the misfortune of being grouped with people that think it's some kind of meme. In any case, your experiences are not everyone's experiences. You having not personally witnessed or participated in something does not mean it hasn't happened.

probably my wording sorry but there is no such thing of NIN being kicked by just being NIN, i belive thats even reportable, the only way a NIN it's going to being kicked from anywhere is by doing a terrible job as a player and that rule can be apply to all jobs in the game, the whole thing im kick you from being a NIN doesn't exist, im kicking you bcs you are bad and cost us several trys or you are a ice mage kinda player since DPS related kicks can't be prove bcs parser stuff except if you fail a obvious dps check.

my experience is not everyone experience true but it's the first time i saw this affirmation despite i like to check the forum and reddit regulary and is in the tank subforum in a DRK thread, not dps subforum on NIN threads or any place where ppl use to complaing about this things.

[Reynhart]

Tell that to all the ninjas getting kicked excluded from PF groups, kicked from roulettes, etc.

Frankly, I don't think that much Ninjas are kicked from roulettes, and whatever you could witness with your own eyes is a very irrelevant sample. As for PF, I'm going to guess PF for difficult content (Frankly, who builds a PF for Expert dungeon or stroryline primals...), they are part of the 5% content where balance matters.

And even in pre-final coil period, Dragoons were not kicked en masse from casual content, especially since you have to wait 15 minutes to even kick someone, and by that time, most casual content is finished.