So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Ronduwil]

Also, leave WoW out of this, because this is FFXIV. Not WoW.

Agreed that this is FFXIV, but many of us with objections to openly allowing parsers have those objections because of our WoW experience. I have yet to encounter any toxic behavior in the duty finder, and I'm inclined to credit the lack of parsers as well as diligent moderation for this. I don't know what else could account for it. You're arguing that parsers make everything better, but those of us who come from WoW know for a fact that the opposite is the case. It's silly to disregard experience from a different MMO for the same feature just because it was a different MMO.

The current don't-ask-don't-tell policy is optimal. Those who want to use parsers properly to improve their own performance can do so. Those who want to misuse parsers to belittle other players are prevented from doing so. Don't fix what's not broken.

[Miles064]

Agreed that this is FFXIV, but many of us with objections to openly allowing parsers have those objections because of our WoW experience. I have yet to encounter any toxic behavior in the duty finder, and I'm inclined to credit the lack of parsers as well as diligent moderation for this. I don't know what else could account for it. You're arguing that parsers make everything better, but those of us who come from WoW know for a fact that the opposite is the case. It's silly to disregard experience from a different MMO for the same feature just because it was a different MMO.

The current don't-ask-don't-tell policy is optimal. Those who want to use parsers properly to improve their own performance can do so. Those who want to misuse parsers to belittle other players are prevented from doing so. Don't fix what's not broken.

I started WoW right before Cata and I played on and off til BFA. The only times people got called out by parsers that I can remember were when it was really bad. Not low(people understood while lvling/gearing up some classes scaled differently) but legit "what are you even doing?" bad. That "what are you even doing?" bad was somewhat rare in WoW but is all over the place in FF14. I cringe whenever i see a NIN in my party now, not because NIN is weak(I'm told they can use some help? haven't leveled it yet) but because they are pretty much always trash. No aoe, rarely use muradas, spam throwing knife, just auto attacking for 4-5 seconds at a time levels of trash. And these are all level 71+.

With public parsers these players would have real numbers showing just how bad they are playing. From there they can improve or the party can get rid of them. Because of this I'd argue parsers should be used from the moment you can go into your first dungeon to allow you to see with numbers how you are doing and how that changes for you and other players/classes as you gain levels and gear. It would give the player base a roadmap of how they should be scaling and the value of each new skill they gain.

[HyoMinPark]

Agreed that this is FFXIV, but many of us with objections to openly allowing parsers have those objections because of our WoW experience. I have yet to encounter any toxic behavior in the duty finder, and I'm inclined to credit the lack of parsers as well as diligent moderation for this. I don't know what else could account for it. You're arguing that parsers make everything better, but those of us who come from WoW know for a fact that the opposite is the case. It's silly to disregard experience from a different MMO for the same feature just because it was a different MMO.

The current don't-ask-don't-tell policy is optimal. Those who want to use parsers properly to improve their own performance can do so. Those who want to misuse parsers to belittle other players are prevented from doing so. Don't fix what's not broken.

My argument here is actually that you can't blame everything on parsers. Learning is insistent that parsers and obsessions over damage are why tanks won't use defensive cooldowns. I'm asking for proof of this statement, because I think the two are unrelated. They keep bringing up unrelated statements about healer DPS, content creators, and WoW instead of answering my question.

I think parsers are wonderful tools. But that's not what I'm arguing with them at all. If you think that, you haven't read what I'm actually saying.