So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Forever_Learning]

I think that’s less of a focus on damage and more you get tanks that don’t understand how to use cooldowns. Cooldowns don’t affect damage—and never have—so there’s no loss to using them. But tanks seem to be allergic to them, and that’s been the case for years. Well before the focus shifted to tank DPS.

But why so many tanks seem allergic to them is a worthy question, which pre-dates shadowbringers.

I understand when you say cooldowns don't affect damage; I"m saying I think some tanks seem feel bad pressing anything that doesn't affect their damage.

I'm saying some tanks won't move out of a mechanic, nor use anything to reduce the incoming damage, and expect to just be healed, while doing anything that has a damage potency connected to it. Some will then even complain that the healer isn't doing much DPS - ignoring how much they stressed their healer.

I've also heard people say that tanks are really nothing more than people who want to play DPS with a short que time.

So, there are players focused ONLY on DPS, and then you give them parsers, which they will probably use incorrectly, and just focus on whatever number is there rather than the fight itself. These players exist, and in WoW where parsers are rampant, it's worse, so I dislike any increase in the use of parsers.

Nevertheless, I also agree it's more effective and better to regulate the players rather than the parsers.

[ForteNightshade]

But why so many tanks seem allergic to them is a worthy question, which pre-dates shadowbringers.

I understand when you say cooldowns don't affect damage; I"m saying I think some tanks seem feel bad pressing anything that doesn't affect their damage.

I'm saying some tanks won't move out of a mechanic, nor use anything to reduce the incoming damage, and expect to just be healed, while doing anything that has a damage potency connected to it. Some will then even complain that the healer isn't doing much DPS - ignoring how much they stressed their healer.

I've also heard people say that tanks are really nothing more than people who want to play DPS with a short que time.

So, there are players focused ONLY on DPS, and then you give them parsers, which they will probably use incorrectly, and just focus on whatever number is there rather than the fight itself. These players exist, and in WoW where parsers are rampant, it's worse, so I dislike any increase in the use of parsers.

Nevertheless, I also agree it's more effective and better to regulate the players rather than the parsers.

Unfortunately, people are bad. It's the same idiocy that plagued Stormblood with Diversion. Here you have a button completely free, which could even be used pre-pull when you're literally doing nothing, yet there always seemed to be one DPS who refused to press it. Why? "It's the tanks job!" More often than not, when you have a tank not using their CDs. They're a DPS main who wanted faster queues and doesn't actually have any idea how tanking works.

The only solution is to... let them die. And should they complain, you point out their lack of CDs. If they continue to whine, you Vote Dismiss them. Yes, it may be confrontational but babysitting players like this will only encourage the mentality. I can say, from experience, the more DPS I let eat a Tank Buster because they refused to hit Diversion, the more they learned what that button did.

Parsers have no bearing on this mentality. You really not to stop equating incompetence with parsers. Even if parsers were magically erased from everyone's minds tomorrow, these tanks would still not use their CDs because they're simply bad.

[HyoMinPark]

But why so many tanks seem allergic to them is a worthy question, which pre-dates shadowbringers.

I understand when you say cooldowns don't affect damage; I"m saying I think some tanks seem feel bad pressing anything that doesn't affect their damage.

No. The tanks that don’t utilize their cooldowns are bad players. It’s as simple as that. It has nothing to do with parsers, nor has it ever. The same is said for healers that won’t use their entire toolkit (healing or damage spells), or the DPS that won’t AOE/use their raid buffs or basic job mechanics (e.g., BRDs that won’t use their songs). They’re simply bad players, and the parser is irrelevant here. Don’t conflate the two.