So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Dortharl]

This must be an American thing, I have been playing this game for years and I have never seen parsing or dps meters brought up once. Even when poor dps was brought up it was usually based on something obvious like a BLM who never casted fire IV, we know what fire IV looks like so it was obvious they never used it. The way people in this thread are speaking it must be very different on US servers.

[Komarimono]

This must be an American thing, I have been playing this game for years and I have never seen parsing or dps meters brought up once. Even when poor dps was brought up it was usually based on something obvious like a BLM who never casted fire IV, we know what fire IV looks like so it was obvious they never used it. The way people in this thread are speaking it must be very different on US servers.

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

[Raven2014]

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

Pretty much how 90% of the weekly complains on this forum are on various topic.

[SturmChurro]

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

I see it quite often actually. Usually brought up specifically in endgame content. I have seen it doing my weekly Eden's, extreme farm parties (not just the current ones), almost always in savage pug runs, actually sometimes in alliance raid too. However, in low level content.. not so much. People do complain about each other's "bad" dps or something along those lines in other content, but it is usually without bringing up a parser.

[Komarimono]

I see it quite often actually. Usually brought up specifically in endgame content. I have seen it doing my weekly Eden's, extreme farm parties (not just the current ones), almost always in savage pug runs, actually sometimes in alliance raid too. However, in low level content.. not so much. People do complain about each other's "bad" dps or something along those lines in other content, but it is usually without bringing up a parser.

We weren't discussing that though. The OP's complaint was seeing it in normal dungeons over and over. End game it's to be expected though.

[SturmChurro]

We weren't discussing that though. The OP's complaint was seeing it in normal dungeons over and over. End game it's to be expected though.

Yeah, and I think he was talking about level 50 and below dungeons too. Honestly, thinking about it, it is kind of ridiculous. Why would anybody even be using a parser in that kind of content?

[Granyala]

Yeah, and I think he was talking about level 50 and below dungeons too. Honestly, thinking about it, it is kind of ridiculous. Why would anybody even be using a parser in that kind of content?

To get a chuckle out of how OP DNC's AoE moves are... obviously.

[Imbrium]

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

I'm sorry when was this established? Or when did the op get proven as a liar? I've seen plenty of people claiming he must be because THEY don't do this so it must never happen, and that ACT is God's gift to raiders so he must be crazy.

I still honestly believe most of what the op posted however as I've seen this behavior aimed at sprouts and players in learming dungeons as well. If it did not happen to him, it's happening to other players and his points still stand.

[Komarimono]

I'm sorry when was this established? Or when did the op get proven as a liar? I've seen plenty of people claiming he must be because THEY don't do this so it must never happen, and that ACT is God's gift to raiders so he must be crazy.

I still honestly believe most of what the op posted however as I've seen this behavior aimed at sprouts and players in learming dungeons as well. If it did not happen to him, it's happening to other players and his points still stand.

Because he admitted it for one, for two you honestly don't see much parser mentions in low levels dungeons if ever, since not needed ever. You can AFK through them most times.

And you're free to your beliefs as is anyone, doesn't make you right though I'm afraid and people are allowed differing opinions.

This debate is as old as parsers ever existing though, from Age of Camelot to WoW to Rift etc etc. But one fact that came out of all the debates, is people are scared of being ousted when they perform poorly in a tightly tuned environment, and are heavily against said tools due to this reason.

That fear is what leads to the hate, they would rather blame tools then come to the realization that not everyone is equal. And everyone doesn't have to be equal, you simply just have to group with like minded persons and your play experience is just fine.

[Imbrium]

Because he admitted it for one, for two you honestly don't see much parser mentions in low levels dungeons if ever, since not needed ever. You can AFK through them most times.

And you're free to your beliefs as is anyone, doesn't make you right though I'm afraid and people are allowed differing opinions.

This debate is as old as parsers ever existing though, from Age of Camelot to WoW to Rift etc etc. But one fact that came out of all the debates, is people are scared of being ousted when they perform poorly in a tightly tuned environment, and are heavily against said tools due to this reason.

That fear is what leads to the hate, they would rather blame tools then come to the realization that not everyone is equal. And everyone doesn't have to be equal, you simply just have to group with like minded persons and your play experience is just fine.

...where? Can you link me this post I must of missed? I don't like missing information.

Yes, you're free your opinions. Some opinions are more hostile than others and come out as hostile in text form. In which case the saying if you have nothing nice to say... don't say anything at all still applies, at least in game. It's not hard to weigh silence, being a decent contributor, and being rude.

And that's not me saying don't call people out. SE is fine with constructive criticism, not verbal abuse. The latter happens too often with people defending it.

How on earth does asking to leave parse shaming out of low level learning content lead to banning all parsing? This is the major issue I'm having with a lot of the posts, especially if we agree you don't need it there anymore once you're max level. The op asked about low level learning content, not a tight dps checked savage fight. Yet most posts zoomed to endgame anyway. It's like weighing a grain of sand versus a boulder (the landslides...).

I feel like the majority of the posters are the ones who are either angry or afraid, because as I said, the op did not worship at the holy shrine of ACT. You read ban and parse in the same title and the post itself is meaningless. No one is going to take our parsers, no one is going to shut down fflogs.