So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Ilyrian]

Oh for Pete's sake, not this stuff again.

You.
Do.
Not.
Need.
Parsers.
To.
Better.
Yourself.

For eff's sake. Do a little math. This. Ain't. Rocket. Science.

It's VERY easy to create a solid rotation.

Step 1. Look at the potency of abilities.
Step 2. Look at cooldowns.
Step 3. Put cooldowns in order to take advantage of the global cooldown to maximize up time.

SMH

This assumes that people know they're not playing well/need to improve.

I saw another Ice mage at 75 yesterday. Instance took an absolute age. Not the end of the world, but you have to ask how do people not get introduced to basic rotations?

They don't get introduced to basic rotation because there is no demonstrable base-level of skill required in the game. That's fine, of course, but it creates an issue where you lose a good chunk of the player base to ignorance - then they get stuck at a certain level.

If we had internal DPS meters (how they would be implemented is a different matter) - there would be a demonstrable DPS average where said Ice mage could see that their play is falling well below what the community expects and may start to look at what they're doing wrong.

Yes, this doesn't apply to everyone. Yes, some people will not engage. But having a bare minimum idea of the DPS you should be doing vs the DPS on your screen could move a good chunk of the player base forward without them being clueless and having a big wake up call if they want to progress into organized content.

[Barraind]

You.Do.Not.Need.Parsers.To.Better.Yourself.

Parsers are currently the ONLY way to tell after a fight how often and for how long you let an important self buff drop. Or if you were missing uptime on something. Or where and how you can spread out cooldowns.

Its the most reliable way to determine how you can better adjust parts of your rotation to fit boss windows.

Its also the only effective way to measure the effects of skillspeed on melee rotations in a practical sense.

[Crushnight]

Oh for Pete's sake, not this stuff again.

You.
Do.
Not.
Need.
Parsers.
To.
Better.
Yourself.

Very true it is more about the attitude but parsers are very useful in determining when a slight change might be a dps gain or a dps loss because the alternative is not great especially from a time perspective.

For eff's sake. Do a little math. This. Ain't. Rocket. Science.

Love to see you do the math for your dps in a 8 man encounter from start to finish, parsers are just a number tool, very useful and easy to read compared to the long very boring alternative.

It's VERY easy to create a solid rotation.

Step 1. Look at the potency of abilities.
Step 2. Look at cooldowns.
Step 3. Put cooldowns in order to take advantage of the global cooldown to maximize up time.

SMH

Base rotation sure, any nuiances in the rotation, any change from the norm because of a fight's design, you do anything different you not going to know if what you did was a boon or a bane without the numbers to help and i would highly highly doubt anyone nowadays would be bothered to sit and read an instance's battle log and do that math.

Parsers are not evil, do not spread hate, do not criticize people, so stop(general people against them) trying to make it into a boogyman it can never be, your beef is people and that is where the energy should go to getting rid of those who feel the need to openly insult(Big insults not stuff like you need to get better etc) other players.

[xJimmehx]

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I agree with this 100%. We need to stop the harassment. Most parsers dont harass people, bad people with parsers do. Parsers are just a tool.

[Dortharl]

This must be an American thing, I have been playing this game for years and I have never seen parsing or dps meters brought up once. Even when poor dps was brought up it was usually based on something obvious like a BLM who never casted fire IV, we know what fire IV looks like so it was obvious they never used it. The way people in this thread are speaking it must be very different on US servers.

[Granyala]

I agree with this 100%. We need to stop the harassment. Most parsers dont harass people, bad people with parsers do. Parsers are just a tool.

You can't stop morons from mis-using tools and you won't be able to stop asshats from dissing people over numbers in trivial content. That is the whole reason why SE thinks it is better to not have them accessible in the first place.

And then people find a way around it, diss you for your gear and create secret blacklisting websites.... oh yeah this is clearly so much better.

Bottom line: people that want to be an arse about your performance will find a way to do so, parser or no parser. SE's anti parser stance accomplishes nothing.

[Komarimono]

This must be an American thing, I have been playing this game for years and I have never seen parsing or dps meters brought up once. Even when poor dps was brought up it was usually based on something obvious like a BLM who never casted fire IV, we know what fire IV looks like so it was obvious they never used it. The way people in this thread are speaking it must be very different on US servers.

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

[Liam_Harper]

Oh for Pete's sake, not this stuff again.

You.
Do.
Not.
Need.
Parsers.
To.
Better.
Yourself.

For eff's sake. Do a little math. This. Ain't. Rocket. Science.

Speak for yourself.

My first experience with logs was checking that website that shall not be named to see if pugs had put up my logs, from curiosity. I felt I was doing fine. It's not rocket science like you said.

I was terrible. Awful, grey parsing, making tons of mistakes. It lead to me doing a lot of research with that information and becoming twice the player I am now and I still have a ton of room to improve. You can't see every mistake and error you make from just hitting things blindly.

[Raven2014]

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

Pretty much how 90% of the weekly complains on this forum are on various topic.

[SturmChurro]

It was established a while back that the OP was lying or heavily exaggerating. Since you rarely see people ever mentioning parse related info ever unless in your FC chat.

I see it quite often actually. Usually brought up specifically in endgame content. I have seen it doing my weekly Eden's, extreme farm parties (not just the current ones), almost always in savage pug runs, actually sometimes in alliance raid too. However, in low level content.. not so much. People do complain about each other's "bad" dps or something along those lines in other content, but it is usually without bringing up a parser.