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    Granyala's Avatar
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    People who support the existence of DoH/L bots under the oft faulty notion that the items players sell are overpriced are indeed basically just arguing against the existence of a crafting/gathering system in general.
    I don't support the existence of bots directly, since I still wish for them cheaters to get banned, but I am also not blind. I see that I am essentially profiting from their behavior because, similar to the Chinese IRL they make a lot of stuff way more affordable, which means most players have to grind less.

    You wanted a realistic crafting economy? Well here you have it. Including some players breaking the rules (workforce safety, patent rights etc) to offer mass produced goods on the cheap.

    In order to give some context to why I don't feel botters are a particular problem on my server:

    Date: 17.08.2019 @11:12 CET

    Maybe it's (yet again) a region specific issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxidized View Post
    If you believe something to be overpriced, then simply put in the work to do it yourself, then you will not be paying for it
    F A L S E

    You will be paying the EXACT SAME AMOUNT because you could have sold the product.
    You merely pay with a different currency: time vs Gil.

    You statement is the reason why many players who do NOT bot ruin the profit margins of many crafters. They think "if I farmed it myself, the item is free!" and continue to not add it's actual value into the sale price.
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    Last edited by Granyala; 08-17-2019 at 06:18 PM.

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    Yan Daemonium
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    Midgardsormr
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
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    F A L S E

    You will be paying the EXACT SAME AMOUNT because you could have sold the product.
    You merely pay with a different currency: time vs Gil.
    So you believe the MB is overpriced when players charge gil that makes it worth their time to gather, yet it is "fair" when a bot is able to charge bargain basement prices because it saves everyone "time"?

    Thank you for de-valuing your entire argument, since that is the crux of why this is a huge problem. It is SUPPOSED to take time to acquire these mats, they are SUPPOSED to have a degree of scarcity that prevents them from being readily available at a low price, and bots completely undermine this concept. It indirectly damages the prices of the crafted goods, and directly damages the value of gathering your own.
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    Last edited by Oxidized; 08-18-2019 at 10:23 AM.

  3. 08-18-2019 04:46 PM
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    accidental double post