Is it me or has the community gotten worse...

[Granyala]

I find it hard to believe that anyone has been actually banned or punished for giving purely neutral advice to another party member. And I find it just as hard to believe that people are going into duty finder and consistently coming across unpleasant or nasty people.

I can only speak for roulettes of ex, leveling etc. since I don't do ex or savage in PF.
I can count the # of abusive people I encountered in the last 5(?) years on one hand.

99.99% of all groups I'm in are quiet except for some Hello/Bye macros and just cruise through the content.
Sure you get no DPS healers, single group pull tanks or semi AFK DPS that do so little damage that it's an achievement in itself but stuff dies anyway, so I never say anything.

Even when wipes happen people rarely say much. They just run back and pick up where they left off.

Maybe it's a region specific issue? I also rarely had trouble in WoW and people here make it out to be this absurd cesspool of horrible behavior and griefing.
*shrugs and give a stoic MSQ look*

[SenorPatty]

It's just become an attack on people you disagree with.

Quoted for truth

We went from using toxic for people who were just downright terrible to using it for people using elementary level schoolyard insults to using it for people just being neutral but disagreeing. Remember when being polite was all you needed to talk to people? Remember when people made mistakes, people didn't try to socially crucify them even after they apologized?

Welcome to dystopia.

[Alucard135]

Quoted for truth

We went from using toxic for people who were just downright terrible to using it for people using elementary level schoolyard insults to using it for people just being neutral but disagreeing. Remember when being polite was all you needed to talk to people? Remember when people made mistakes, people didn't try to socially crucify them even after they apologized?

Welcome to dystopia.

People have become so sensitive that they need more than 200 for their blacklist. I only have 3 and those are people who I've met multiple times and they deliberately join prog or clear parties without actually reaching that phase and end up trapping the party.

[Noitems]

Everyone more recently has gotten soft skin and are cranked to 11 on even the slightest comment. So much so that going on a subreddit like TalesfromDF you can see the amount of crap people have to put up with at times.

When you do enough rous and can actively point out when this one dungeon you've run over 50 times is moving slower then normal you have a natural instinct to find out why.

I'm in the camp of in general most people here are just neutral. We offer the advice because it's affecting both the person and ourselves. I'd offer a polite "Could I make a recommendation?" and after getting the ok "Your aoe moves will do much more damage with big pulls and it'll get us out of here a bit quicker." for example.

It's best to state that it's a party doing this together instead of just you. I'm sure all of us want to get on to something more important the a daily rou so stating in that way is the best to explain what the problem is and how fixing it can help us.

Had way too many situations where someone would say "You should aoe more" out of the blue to only be met with an sassy attitude and it only snowballs from there because it wasn't invited prior.

Am I going to call someone out for making this run longer then it should be? Yeah, but using choice phrases so I can kindly explain the issue and offer a solution. If they want to snap at me with the rude comments then that's all on their account, not mine.

[SturmChurro]

The people who are reporting over those schoolyard insults are probably the same kind who ran to the teacher crying. They just grew up. That's why their blacklist is full. I literally - and I encounter a lot of truly "toxic" people - don't think I have even met enough "toxic" players that could even be worth adding to the blacklist to fill it up.

[Granyala]

I think the only guys on my black list are a few gold spam bots that annoyed me when I had to stay in a capital for a while.

Te be honest: it's not just a problem of people being super sensitive these days, it's also a problem of a society that is obsessed with "happy feels at all times" and in this case here, a game development team that is ridiculously overprotective. They condone these actions, so all the super sensitives think they have it right and people like us that openly talk about stuff that doesn't work, causing "not so happy feels" in the process, are automatically the "bad guys".

[SturmChurro]

Te be honest: it's not just a problem of people being super sensitive these days, it's also a problem of a society that is obsessed with "happy feels at all times" and in this case here, a game development team that is ridiculously overprotective. They condone these actions, so all the super sensitives think they have it right and people like us that openly talk about stuff that doesn't work, causing "not so happy feels" in the process, are automatically the "bad guys".

There is also this huge 'us vs. them' mentality nowadays, so if you don't subscribe to the group think you are also automatically the "bad guy" and deserve anything bad that happens to you. That's one reason, on these forums in particular, I have to be extremely careful with what I post. I assume people are reporting me constantly. In-game that is where a lot of the high and mighty (moral high ground) attitudes come from, if you aren't one of these "good people" you shouldn't be playing the game, according to them. "Find something else", so they will actively try to get others banned for the smallest of things.

[Granyala]

I assume that every post of mine is reported and I post as such, yes.
Ingame, I rarely talk to people besides the occasional banter or instructions regarding encounters.

"Us vs. them" is a pretty normal group dynamic that has always existed and it is never wise to express opinions that go against the social consensus of said group.
The group will try to convert you or you will be ostracized because most people out there do NOT want to critically assess their actions, person, world views, feelings and opinions.
Critical self reflection is a very rare trait indeed.

[LLSmoothJ]

I assume that every post of mine is reported and I post as such, yes.
Ingame, I rarely talk to people besides the occasional banter or instructions regarding encounters.

"Us vs. them" is a pretty normal group dynamic that has always existed and it is never wise to express opinions that go against the social consensus of said group.
The group will try to convert you or you will be ostracized because most people out there do NOT want to critically assess their actions, person, world views, feelings and opinions.
Critical self reflection is a very rare trait indeed.

What you hear: "How dare you not pick a side!"
What they're actually saying: "How dare you not pick MY side!"

Personally I haven't experienced it, but I mainly just interact with FC members. But then again, even in Roulettes, PFs, and other DF runs everyone seems so chill even after wipes.

Must be lucky I guess.

[Melichoir]

The people who are reporting over those schoolyard insults are probably the same kind who ran to the teacher crying.....

Whether or not its the same kids is irrelevant I think, but this does illustrate a point. As kids almost everyone knew that one kid on the playground that would run and tattle tell on every little infraction or hurt feeling. We all knew a kid like that. Did anyone really want to play with that kid or hang out with them? Bet you probably not. So what makes people think that if we have a community where everyone runs off to SE at the drop of a snub or insult that people are gonna want to play with others or even interact?

It's just food for thought. If anything, more people will likely respect you and want to play with you if youre the kind of person who doesnt get bothered by the small things.