So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Goji1639]

Here is specific advice then: Communicate that you're new and would welcome any advice to your party. Dont hide behind "I'm on PS4, I cant chat" and then complain about a community that you're not even engaging in.

You will meet unpleasent people - in Eorzea, in real life, everywhere. But its not parsers that make them unpleasent people and as I pointed out already: You dont even need a parser to point out that someone isnt playing very good. I dont know if that guy had a parser or not but he certainly didnt need one to tell that you died and he could have just as easly gone on about how bad you've been doing for not doing mechanics correctly.
You're seriously targeting the wrong crowd here...

The dungeon flags new people for the party, so they don't need anyone's help realizing that someone in the run doesn't know the mechanics. They could explain the mechanics before every boss fight if they really cared, but, especially if the new person is just DPS, they generally just want to move. Me asking for an explanation before every fight would be more annoying than useful in these low level bum rush dungeons.

You seem to be intentionally missing the point. It's clear as day these people aren't doing anything for the "benefit of the run," I don't think I've ever seen a MSQ group wipe. It's just insecure people who like to trash on new players. The new player asking for help isn't going to result in anything good from these people.

[Vidu]

The dungeon flags new people for the party, so they don't need anyone's help realizing that someone in the run doesn't know the mechanics. They could explain the mechanics before every boss fight if they really cared, but, especially if the new person is just DPS, they generally just want to move. Me asking for an explanation before every fight would be more annoying than useful in these low level bum rush dungeons.

You seem to be intentionally missing the point. It's clear as day these people aren't doing anything for the "benefit of the run," I don't think I've ever seen a MSQ group wipe. It's just insecure people who like to trash on new players. The new player asking for help isn't going to result in anything good from these people.

It is simply polite to tell people that you're new and would like them to give you advice. Dont just expect them to spell stuff out for you just because the game informed them that there is a new character in the run, because that can be an alt aswell. Or it might be someone who doesnt want an explantion either for blind running purposes or because they're confident enough that they can figure out mechanics on the go - lets be honest: most dungeon boss fights are super simple.
Your party also wont know if you're running a certain dunegon on a class that you just picked up or havent played in a while.
I'm not advicing you to ask for an explantion before every boss-fight, I'm advicing you to greet your party at the start of the dungeon with "Hey, first time doing this, any pointers would be appericiated!" so they know to actually give them.
In my experience communication with your party is key and can prevent or solve fights.
You expect other people to explain things to you - is it really that unreasonble that someone might expect you to ask for that explantion?

I have seen MSQ-dungeons wipe btw. Often enough even after explantions had been given.

[Goji1639]

It is simply polite to tell people that you're new and would like them to give you advice. Dont just expect them to spell stuff out for you just because the game informed them that there is a new character in the run, because that can be an alt aswell. Or it might be someone who doesnt want an explantion either for blind running purposes or because they're confident enough that they can figure out mechanics on the go - lets be honest: most dungeon boss fights are super simple.
Your party also wont know if you're running a certain dunegon on a class that you just picked up or havent played in a while.
I'm not advicing you to ask for an explantion before every boss-fight, I'm advicing you to greet your party at the start of the dungeon with "Hey, first time doing this, any pointers would be appericiated!" so they know to actually give them.
In my experience communication with your party is key and can prevent or solve fights.
You expect other people to explain things to you - is it really that unreasonble that someone might expect you to ask for that explantion?

I have seen MSQ-dungeons wipe btw. Often enough even after explantions had been given.

Politely announcing you're new and asking for advice is fine. It isn't necessary in low level content, however, and most of the time it'll just be ignored. It does speak volumes about this community that this is where you place the responsibility for mitigating fights. I personally would just prefer veteran players not be uselessly condescending in low level content to new players, but whatever.

I think you know the kinds of veteran players I'm talking about; basically the kinds that insult new players for no serious reason. "Hi, I'm new" isn't going to be what magically turns them into good people.

[Vidu]

Politely announcing you're new and asking for advice is fine. It isn't necessary in low level content, however, and most of the time it'll just be ignored. It does speak volumes about this community that this is where you place the responsibility for mitigating fights. I personally would just prefer veteran players not be uselessly condescending in low level content to new players, but whatever.

I think you know the kinds of veteran players I'm talking about; basically the kinds that insult new players for no serious reason. "Hi, I'm new" isn't going to be what magically turns them into good people.

It is also not necessary for the other people in the run to offer any advice or explantions to you - which you seemed to imply by saying "the ingame message should be enough".
And I dont place the responsibility with the new people, I'm merely pointing out that in my general experience in the game (and in life) you'll run into less fights and less trouble if you're the one getting ahead of it by being polite. I would prefer everyone to communicate in a friendly and polite manner with each other, veterans and newbies alike - that means: no harrassing, but also no "silently sitting around expecting the rest to cater to you".

And obviously this wont when you encounter real jerks - but it might just help when you meet someone whos just having a bad day (we're all allowed to have them) to prevent them from getting snarky and instead being more understanding and maybe even helpful.

[Goji1639]

It is also not necessary for the other people in the run to offer any advice or explantions to you - which you seemed to imply by saying "the ingame message should be enough".
And I dont place the responsibility with the new people, I'm merely pointing out that in my general experience in the game (and in life) you'll run into less fights and less trouble if you're the one getting ahead of it by being polite. I would prefer everyone to communicate in a friendly and polite manner with each other, veterans and newbies alike - that means: no harrassing, but also no "silently sitting around expecting the rest to cater to you".

And obviously this wont when you encounter real jerks - but it might just help when you meet someone whos just having a bad day (we're all allowed to have them) to prevent them from getting snarky and instead being more understanding and maybe even helpful.

I don't expect anyone to explain anything to me. I don't mind failing to mechanics and learning by doing, instead of reading some shorthand explanation. If the party gives a crap about me dying, though; well they got the warning that I was new when the dungeon started. They're free to make sure I'm up to speed if they really want to. Don't explain nothing then get pissy and condescending if I die, though.

[Vidu]

I don't expect anyone to explain anything to me. I don't mind failing to mechanics and learning by doing, instead of reading some shorthand explanation. If the party gives a crap about me dying, though; well they got the warning that I was new when the dungeon started. They're free to make sure I'm up to speed if they really want to. Don't explain nothing then get pissy and condescending if I die, though.

...the way you're reacting to my simple suggestion of just letting the party know at the start of the dungeon that you're new and would appriciate any advice makes me seriously wonder how well you would react to advice given to you ingame - and wether or not people really tol you that you sucked or if they merely stated that you werent playing very well.

I'd also like to remind you that they dont know that you are new. They know that a character is new - could be any of the other 3 people, could be an alt, could be someone who looked up a guide or someone who would rather not have time wasted by explantions for simple bossfights. I've met all of those people, some being upset and annoyed that someone would even attempt to explain a fight. So offering explantions isnt exactl the go-to move, at least not for me.
If no one says anything, I'll assume and expect that people know what they're doing - if they dont wan need explantions or leeway, they should speak up. Its the polite and sensible thing to do. And not that difficult either...

[Goji1639]

...the way you're reacting to my simple suggestion of just letting the party know at the start of the dungeon that you're new and would appriciate any advice makes me seriously wonder how well you would react to advice given to you ingame - and wether or not people really tol you that you sucked or if they merely stated that you werent playing very well.

I'd also like to remind you that they dont know that you are new. They know that a character is new - could be any of the other 3 people, could be an alt, could be someone who looked up a guide or someone who would rather not have time wasted by explantions for simple bossfights. I've met all of those people, some being upset and annoyed that someone would even attempt to explain a fight. So offering explantions isnt exactl the go-to move, at least not for me.
If no one says anything, I'll assume and expect that people know what they're doing - if they dont wan need explantions or leeway, they should speak up. Its the polite and sensible thing to do. And not that difficult either...

Right, sometimes people don't want an explanation or help, so they won't ask. Sometimes a party doesn't want to explain things, so they don't.

If the party cares about new players dying then they should offer an explanation. If the new person doesn't ask for an explanation and dies then so be it. Where in this scenario is it necessary or acceptable to be condescending to the new person? Is it because he didn't ask for help, even though he may have wanted to go in blind, or because he may be on PS4 and not familiar with macros?

You're approaching this conversation like I'm calling out people who politely offer help. It's been clear as day in my OP and my other posts that those aren't the people that make parsers a problem.

Edit: At my daily post limit I guess.

You shouldnt be harrassed - but seriously, the attitude you're displaying here doesnt help your case.
"I'm new and only care about the story and everyone should magically know that because I refuse to communicate with them" is setting yourself up for failure and wont win you much sympathy.

This is mostly just crap you've made up, and you act like it justifies harassment. Honestly, so what if the new player didn't ask for help; he may not have even wanted it. That's a not a valid point. And honestly, if the content is still EASILY clearable, who cares if they're under-performing? Again, just another flimsy justification for harassing people.

You say it's not right to harass people, but in the same breath throw all these flimsy rationalizations trying to fault the new player for the crappy way many of them are treated. It's dumb.

Also, just to sum up, I'm not really surprised that most of the responses are just people finding ways to justify harassment and blaming the new players for any harassment they receive. After all, not saying "I'm new" at the start of a dungeon is clearly asking for it. The attitude here is disappointingly exactly what I expected. I can tell this community is going to be a lot of fun going forward. Can't wait.