So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Vidu]

They don't specifically mention a damage meter; they go after people based on information you'd need a damage meter to know.

You'd be surprised by how much someone who watches castbars, buffs, dots etc. can tell about your performance without needing a damage meter. You dont need to tell that a dps whos only single targeting deals less damage than the healer whos AoEing and the like. If you die to a mechanic that you could have avoided that will also bring your dps down, with it being your fault.

I'd also strongly advice you to get a cheap keyboard for your PS4 so you can communicate with your party - the very least you should do is write yourself a macro informing your party that you're on PS4 and cant type. My personal police is that if I dont get a response from someone in chat, after specifically asking them a question or adressing them directly, I'll assume they're a bot or that they indeed bought the character and havent even figured out how to use a chat yet.

While harrassment, specially the kind that involves directly bringing up parsers, isnt okay and already a reportable offense, your story doesnt really sound like that was the problem and I've never seen anyone being harrassed over parsing-numbers in a dungeon. But I have seen and pointed out myself obvious mistakes people made or asked them to use certain skills - and apparently some people already take that as harrassment...

[Laphael]

They don't specifically mention a damage meter; they go after people based on information you'd need a damage meter to know.

You can see pretty good, if someone is for example not aoeing. Or if mobs are dieing far to slow.

[Goji1639]

What exactly are you asking for? The people in question were already breaking the rules and could have been reported. This is like when people clamor for more gun laws after each shooting when the laws to prevent it were actually already in place.

I guess I just assumed that with the high frequency of people doing it that it either wasn't bannable, or at least wasn't punished consistently. I'll just start reporting people that make an issue of the meters now; see what happens.

[Seraphor]

What exactly are you asking for? The people in question were already breaking the rules and could have been reported. This is like when people clamor for more gun laws after each shooting when the laws to prevent it were actually already in place.

I mean, compared to most of the developed world, the US has no gun laws.

[Diggles]

I guess I just assumed that with the high frequency of people doing it that it either wasn't bannable, or at least wasn't punished consistently. I'll just start reporting people that make an issue of the meters now; see what happens.

It is definitely punished consistently - it’s just not reported consistently. At the very least, harassing another player over their performance is very against the rules. Any mention of DPS is just icing on the cake as it can be inferred that they’re using a DPS meter. Someone would be taking an involuntary vacation from the game had you actually taken the time to report this behavior.

[Vidu]

I guess I just assumed that with the high frequency of people doing it that it either wasn't bannable, or at least wasn't punished consistently. I'll just start reporting people that make an issue of the meters now; see what happens.

Well, you wont see what happens - GMs might ask you some additional questions, but they wont disclose to you if or how the person you reported got punished.

And again: People dont need a damage meter to judge and call out obvious bad performance.

[Gwenorai]

Well, you wont see what happens - GMs might ask you some additional questions, but they wont disclose to you if or how the person you reported got punished.

And again: People dont need a damage meter to judge and call out obvious bad performance.

This. Like I can tell your dps is lame if you're not AoEing for example. Or not applying your dots, not using your combos - the list goes on.

[Goji1639]

You'd be surprised by how much someone who watches castbars, buffs, dots etc. can tell about your performance without needing a damage meter. You dont need to tell that a dps whos only single targeting deals less damage than the healer whos AoEing and the like. If you die to a mechanic that you could have avoided that will also bring your dps down, with it being your fault.

I'd also strongly advice you to get a cheap keyboard for your PS4 so you can communicate with your party - the very least you should do is write yourself a macro informing your party that you're on PS4 and cant type. My personal police is that if I dont get a response from someone in chat, after specifically asking them a question or adressing them directly, I'll assume they're a bot or that they indeed bought the character and havent even figured out how to use a chat yet.

While harrassment, specially the kind that involves directly bringing up parsers, isnt okay and already a reportable offense, your story doesnt really sound like that was the problem and I've never seen anyone being harrassed over parsing-numbers in a dungeon. But I have seen and pointed out myself obvious mistakes people made or asked them to use certain skills - and apparently some people already take that as harrassment...

Well, in my individual scenario in the OP I think the meter use was pretty obvious. It was a boss fight, I died early and the other DPS made a stink about my damage being lower than the healers, seemingly not even realizing I died. Hard to imagine he was just taking a very strong account of visual cues.

As for all the other random instances I've seen, I suppose it's possible they're not all meter related. The comments are never "you should try doing this," it's always just a stupid little jape about how their damage sucks, they're not contributing, being carried, must've bought their character, etc.

[ErryK]

You dealt with a garbage person, not a parser attacking you.

[Renato]

Mentioning it
Mentioning that someone's damange is lower then someone
Pasting numbers


It's enough to get a GM's attention it.
Running a meter is tolerated as long as it's used for yourself only and not against someone ingame.

Oh wow, I didn't know this. I did a Ravel run last week as a Tank and we had trouble clearing the second boss because the DPS (a BLM and RDM) wasn't all that good. It took forever to clear the bosses that run as well as the normal pulls. I guess the healer was using some kind of parser because he mentioned that I was doing around the same amount or more as the DPS jobs were and gave the amounts. Granted, he didn't come off as malicious in any way. He just kind of said, you all need better gear, you should be doing a lot more damage.