Is it me or has the community gotten worse...

[Misutoraru]

They can and will, and punishment can be meted out as per the words of the ToS.

"Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed."

If someone /feels/ that their feelings were hurt, or that they were slighted, they can and will report you for anything.

they can report all they want, but those GM who handle reports do not blindly just ban every report they have

from what i can tell, they actually pull up chat log to look into each case

[Seryne]

This games community has always had a veneer of fake positivity and kindness up until some sort of perceived slight. You can say anything in the least confrontational way and people will still take it wrong and flip out on you or even report you now. It's why I gave up mentoring and talking to people in DF for the most part since I'm tired of people freaking out at me over the smallest things. It's just really not worth it anymore.

[Alucard135]

Arent those the "you dont pay my sub" ppl? xD

Even Urianger is one of them.

[NessaWyvern]

Sometimes, the toxic players are the ones doing the reporting, and they don't belong to any partucular group. Working things out is better than simply reporting, when plausible.

This. There was a guy pulling a bunch of mobs towards where a Eureka fate was going to spawn on purpose, so I pulled them myself and took them away from the fate and started killing the mobs.

Some other random dude reported me saying that I had pulled them all to the fate in the first place (I didn't). When I explained that I was actually taking them away from the fate, not dragging them in, he then said that he then reported me for not holding aggro on all the stuff I was pulling away.
When I said "Dude I am a bard, I don't have enmity abilities, I was just trying to be nice to people in the fate" He started telling others to report me, and others said they did report me as well. DX
I never got contacted by a GM over it at least, so I commend the GM who read the reports and didn't punish me for other player's false accusations.

The guy who pulled all the mobs in the first place actually admitted to it, apologised to me, saying he only meant it as a bit of fun, and felt bad that I got dragged into it. Maybe it was his admission that kept me from the ban hammer XD. I didn't report the guy, since he apologised and everything.

[Melichoir]

Let me get this straight:

1. You let bad behavior "roll off your back" without addressing it.
2. You mock and insult players who report bad behavior.
3. You claim that you're not encouraging bad behavior.

1) and 2) don't add up to 3) here. Try again.

What you fail to get is what you define as what should be reported and what I define differ. I dont care if someone is a jerk in a one off. You do. You see that behavior as "It needs to be corrected," where I see it as "Guys a jerk. Oh well, thats his problem."

Of the players I do 'mock', it's the ones who cant handle any level of negativity. Even the mere hint of "You suck" is to much for their sensibilities. Why spend minutes or even hours getting so angry and upset and pissed at what some stranger who spent 4 seconds to type out "You suck" or "Another Carried DPS" or whatever. What is being accomplished by filing that report? Are you doing this for the sake of the community and correcting bad behavior or for your own personal feelings? Are you really 'correcting' the issue or just emotionally satisfying yourself? And to be clear, Im not mocking people for reporting targetted harassment or severely reprehensible language (harsh racial/identity slurs and the like). That stuff should be addressed by a GM. That is worth addressing as a community but it requires that we understand that there is nuance and that a targetted harassment or racial slurs (as is the go to talking point when discussing Toxicity) and someone telling you to "git gud" or "you suck". Saying that both are just as bad and require the same means to address it is a terrible idea to me. Part of fixing this issue, to me, requires people 'fix' themselves. Words become a lot less scary and powerful if we dont let them hold sway over us.

There's nuance to my position. I feel youre just failing to acknowledge it, either through naivety or purposefully being obtuse. As I said, Im not encouraging bad behavior in the slightest. Im dealing with an issue in my way, and think that this way to approach a problem is far more ideal and better for the community than your way. Thats all there is to it. If you dont like it, well ok. Then you do you. Ill still continue to think that at best your way is silly, and at worst itll lead to problems, but thats how it is.

[RareItems]

The forums used to be a good resource for information, but now it's just a place where bored mentors and raiders check to flex their elitism lol. Reading this thread kinda proves they're the problem. It's not the Roleplayers, The PS4 Players, the New Players, The Crafters, The Gatherers, The Housing Enthusiasts or the people who like to just mod their outfits. Nope, its always been and forever will be the Raiders and Mentors.

Not saying All Raiders and Mentors are Elitist and Toxic. Just most if not all of the Toxic/Elitist ppl on the game and on this forums are Raiders and Mentors.

[Baalfrog]

The forums used to be a good resource for information, but now it's just a place where bored mentors and raiders check to flex their elitism lol. Reading this thread kinda proves they're the problem. It's not the Roleplayers, The PS4 Players, the New Players, The Crafters, The Gatherers, The Housing Enthusiasts or the people who like to just mod their outfits. Nope, its always been and forever will be the Raiders and Mentors.

Not saying All Raiders and Mentors are Elitist and Toxic. Just most if not all of the Toxic/Elitist ppl on the game and on this forums are Raiders and Mentors.

Aren't you being toxic here, pointing fingers and being all like everyone but ME, and hating others because they like something else? #notallraiders

[Vaunhause]

The forums used to be a good resource for information, but now it's just a place where bored mentors and raiders check to flex their elitism lol. Reading this thread kinda proves they're the problem. It's not the Roleplayers, The PS4 Players, the New Players, The Crafters, The Gatherers, The Housing Enthusiasts or the people who like to just mod their outfits. Nope, its always been and forever will be the Raiders and Mentors.

Not saying All Raiders and Mentors are Elitist and Toxic. Just most if not all of the Toxic/Elitist ppl on the game and on this forums are Raiders and Mentors.

My savage raiding experience has been more pleasant than me word for word asking people in roulettes if they "want tips on how to play their class", and instead get passive aggressive responses for wanting to help. Of course, if they say no, I wont say nothin'.

Not a mentor, btw. Just a casual savage raider that's progging E4S atm.

Sure, this happened maybe to just me. Maybe I'm missing all of the people you're talking about. But idk, dude. I think theres bad apples all around. Not just Savage raiders and mentors. But casual players too. And as far as majorities go, theres FAR less mentors and savage raiders than there are just normal people, who mayhap don't know how to play their class well.

But, y'know. God forbid you reach out a hand, else they might bite. Which, doesn't happen so often, but it does happen.

Things are so much more than just black and white than what you are laying them out to be, and if you consider it otherwise after being told, you are just in denial. Sorry.

[plamya]

Great community btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8tLmG0TRY

[MrKusakabe]

I wonder how long it'll take till crybabies start reporting whole groups for kicking them without saying anything.

Let's be honest here: Being expelled from a group without mentioning what's going on is a bad attitude and another problem of either the anonymous internet community or the lack of character and missed parenting. I cringe when some obviously dumb kids are the tank because it feels "wrong" when the team leader throws tantrums and I imagine him looking like from the BOSS BABY theatrical posters, just less determined.
When your boss fires you for no reason and you ask why or use legal means to stop this - in your view - unjustified or sudden and forced removal, are you a crybaby then? When you appeal for a parking ticket, are you a crybaby? When you get pulled over by the cops for nothing everday, is it also being a crybaby? Courts are places for crybabies? The entire legal sytem is, too? "Suck it up"?

No, Sir.

In my entire time here, I've been kicked maybe 3 or 4 times. Once since I came back, and that was solely for the reason there were 4 guys in (the long!) Castrum and they booted me because they could. We had some banter (EDIT: I may clarify they mocked me because of being Lalafell and I had clever, non-offensive responses to each of their taunts) which they turned into serious business pretty quickly and I lost like 40 minutes for no valid reasons. Of course I reported all of the 3 that were obviously together and involved. I had no other option because I was alone there, so should I eat every abuse because I have no unjustified kick option as minority?

The question is: Who is the "crybaby"? The guys that kick everyone on the instant when something's not going their way or their victim, hm?


Sincerely,