Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

You're quite literally arguing that you want more challenging endgame content but then don't do it when it arrives. What else is there supposed to be?

Really? Weird, I seem to be doing Savage at the moment. It's cool, I guess no one can suggest anything anymore. No more suggestions for anything else unless someone has done absolutely every single thing that someone can do in that area of the game. I better not see any more ideas for glamour, housing items, mounts, minions, or anything unless someone has 100% of the items or achievements in that area.

[SaberMaxwell]

Just out of curiosity, what will your argument be if I clear the 5.1 Ultimate and still feel the same way? Guessing you will tell me, 'ya but now you need to go back and clear Ultimate Coil or UwU,' correct?

I mean, why don't you go do that? They both not only still exist, but both still far outclass Savage in difficulty, reward longevity, and prestige. They're excellent goals for any raider looking to cut their teeth on some difficult content. You don't even need vit melds to handle them anymore, so you can go into them with basically any gear above their iLv and be fine. The average prog time for either Ultimate is 150 hours.

[Nariel]

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Nha I think he/she just point out how its ridiculous to read your complaign about lacks of content you don't even do anyway.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Really? Weird, I seem to be doing Savage at the moment. It's cool, I guess no one can suggest anything anymore. No more suggestions for anything else unless someone has done absolutely every single thing that someone can do in that area of the game. I better not see any more ideas for glamour, housing items, mounts, minions, or anything unless someone has 100% of the items or achievements in that area.

Your argument doesn't hold water. You're arguing with people, saying how they destroyed the game, when in reality the hardcore endgame content is there. If you're going through savage, great! You know what's harder than that? Ultimate. You should check that out. If they don't appeal to you, that's fine and you're perfectly fine asking for more. However, you're acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum because you wanted ninja turtles and not x men. So you can voice your wants with respect or expect to get backlash. That's how it goes. The old adage, treat others how you want to be treated, fits here.

[Zabuza]

Nha I think he/she just point out how its ridiculous to read your complaign about lacks of content you don't even do anyway.

I hope I never see you ask for anything again unless you have 100% of the items in that area of content, or 100% of the achievements. I do the content, I just haven't done 100% of it. I said this before, but I didn't do Ultimate previously because Samurai wasn't meta, and in bleeding edge content meta is king. I doubt anyone wanted to take a Samurai into their Ultimate clear group.

Your argument doesn't hold water. You're arguing with people, saying how they destroyed the game, when in reality the hardcore endgame content is there. If you're going through savage, great! You know what's harder than that? Ultimate. You should check that out. If they don't appeal to you, that's fine and you're perfectly fine asking for more. However, you're acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum because you wanted ninja turtles and not x men. So you can voice your wants with respect or expect to get backlash. That's how it goes. The old adage, treat others how you want to be treated, fits here.

I started out voicing my wants with respect many pages ago and got nothing but disrespect continuously. Why can I not voice my desire for something when people do it in all other areas? How come this unique standard is applied only to endgame content but nothing else? Why can I not say that someone who complains about glamour needs to have bought every piece of glamour first? This seems like quite the double standard, if you ask me.

[SaberMaxwell]

Hundreds of Samurai did Ultimate, besides which that's no longer a restriction. The content is still open, and still harder than anything any Savage will ever give, so why not challenge it now?

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I hope I never see you ask for anything again unless you have 100% of the items in that area of content, or 100% of the achievements. I do the content, I just haven't done 100% of it. I said this before, but I didn't do Ultimate previously because Samurai wasn't meta, and in bleeding edge content meta is king. I doubt anyone wanted to take a Samurai into their Ultimate clear group.



I started out voicing my wants with respect many pages ago and got nothing but disrespect continuously. Why can I not voice my desire for something when people do it in all other areas? How come this unique standard is applied only to endgame content but nothing else? Why can I not say that someone who complains about glamour needs to have bought every piece of glamour first? This seems like quite the double standard, if you ask me.

It's like you intentionally disregarded my post and focused only on the parts that fit your agenda. As I said, why not try ultimate? What's stopping you? You ask for more but you don't give any idea of what it is that you want. As for glamour, that would require far more inventory space than what's currently available so, again, your argument fails to hold up. Glamours, just like content, are up to one's personal taste. If you don't like it, don't get it. However you have yet to discredit anything I say, rather you try to talk around it without any constructive criticism about what you want or why you haven't touched ultimate. So how about you answer this before we continue?

[Zabuza]

It's like you intentionally disregarded my post and focused only on the parts that fit your agenda. As I said, why not try ultimate? What's stopping you? You ask for more but you don't give any idea of what it is that you want. As for glamour, that would require far more inventory space than what's currently available so, again, your argument fails to hold up. Glamours, just like content, are up to one's personal taste. If you don't like it, don't get it. However you have yet to discredit anything I say, rather you try to talk around it without any constructive criticism about what you want or why you haven't touched ultimate. So how about you answer this before we continue?

I answered it above. To elaborate, I also had no static that was at the level that could clear it. Ultimate is near impossible to clear by pugs. I already outlined in detail in previous pages what it is I wanted from endgame. I'm also not talking around anything, I'm applying the standards of many in this thread to the things they enjoy. If you're going to tell me I have to do 100% of everything endgame in order to be qualified to even ask for something endgame, then you also have to hold yourself to those same standards, otherwise you are a giant hypocrite. I never denied that Ultimate was challenging content that exists. Hell, I even tried my hand at Ultimate Coil for awhile in the past. Are we not allowed more content that is at Savage level, or somewhere in between Savage and the bleeding edge of Ultimate?

I am almost certain that even if I had cleared the Ultimates, my argument would STILL be disregarded by you all anyways.

Hundreds of Samurai did Ultimate, besides which that's no longer a restriction. The content is still open, and still harder than anything any Savage will ever give, so why not challenge it now?

Sure, after my E4s clear and Savage gets completely on farm, why not? Am I then allowed to voice an opinion? Do I have permission to want something to ask for it like everyone else in this forum, or will everyone still shoot me down and tell me to shut up? It's no wonder the endgame scene hasn't become more robust, with nearly everyone who has ideas getting shot down and told everything is fine. What incentive do the devs have to change their same formula of tomestones, 2 exs, 4 savages, 1 ultimate? None. But I guess that is how you guys want it. To run the same exact treadmill, chasing the same exact carrot endlessly, never wanting even the slightest change.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I answered it above. To elaborate, I also had no static that was at the level that could clear it. Ultimate is near impossible to clear by pugs. I already outlined in detail in previous pages what it is I wanted from endgame. I'm also not talking around anything, I'm applying the standards of many in this thread to the things they enjoy. If you're going to tell me I have to do 100% of everything endgame in order to be qualified to even ask for something endgame, then you also have to hold yourself to those same standards, otherwise you are a giant hypocrite. I never denied that Ultimate was challenging content that exists. Hell, I even tried my hand at Ultimate Coil for awhile in the past. Are we not allowed more content that is at Savage level, or somewhere in between Savage and the bleeding edge of Ultimate?

I am almost certain that even if I had cleared the Ultimates, my argument would STILL be disregarded by you all anyways.



Sure, after my E4s clear and Savage gets completely on farm, why not? Am I then allowed to voice an opinion? Do I have permission to want something to ask for it like everyone else in this forum, or will everyone still shoot me down and tell me to shut up?

You make a lot of assumptions about others based on zero proof, but that's fine. I've never once said you had to clear it all to ask for more. I was merely asking why you hadn't done it and why you were complaining if the content exists. Maybe get some friends, join a static, or form your own, to take on ultimate if it still interests you. There are viable paths to take so that you can do this content. If you don't want to do that, that's fine. There's still the current savage. If you're done with that, feel free to POLITELY ask for more or perhaps even something different. We didn't get ultimate by being quiet, I'm fairly certain. There are respectful roads to take, and disrespectful ones as well. Right now you're on disrespectful, so others are likely to be the same towards you. Perhaps make a new thread all your own suggesting different endgame content that could be added? I'm sure many others would like to share things they've thought of as well. That's my two cents. Take it as you will.

[SaberMaxwell]

I never denied that Ultimate was challenging content that exists. Hell, I even tried my hand at Ultimate Coil for awhile in the past. Are we not allowed more content that is at Savage level, or somewhere in between Savage and the bleeding edge of Ultimate?

We're probably never going to see Savage beyond the difficulty level of Creator since the advent of Ultimate. As I've said before, they've found a pattern that works; 4 fights every 6 months. Say what you want about how the endgame scene is dying and how raiders leave by the droves but Xenosys Vex is still here; MrHappy is still here; Momo is still here; everyone I know who raided Ultimate are all still here; after four years, it seems like even you're still here. At the end of the day, the game is still growing. I submit my anecdote as valid purely because you've submitted little more than anecdote yourself.

I am almost certain that even if I had cleared the Ultimates, my argument would STILL be disregarded by you all anyways.

Your complaint is that you don't get enough challenging content in this game. This complaint rings hollow when you haven't done all of the challenging content in this game. If you had done both Ultimates, people would have much less ground to challenge your stance. These aren't people saying you can't have an opinion on endgame because you don't run Sastasha 100,000x, these are people saying your opinion on endgame's difficulty is questionable when it doesn't look like you've engaged with the zenith of endgame.

Sure, after my E4s clear and Savage gets completely on farm, why not?

Cool, I hope you have fun with it! If you need any tips, feel free to hit me up on Discord, the melees in my team would be happy to share their experience and maybe help smooth your prog along.

EDIT: Forgot my Discord isn't in my signature. Easiest path would be to ping Dualgunner#7456, my raid lead, they could get you connected.