Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

So you got lucky with pugs and you claim that's going to happen for many people? Haha my guy there are people in pf that can't grasp simple mechanics and can't even hold their own in a fight. But obviously you are so great and better than everyone else so it is not fine for you to clear that fast. Look, I cleared the ENTIRETY of sigmascape in pugs but were they good pugs? They were better than my static at the time... sure but they were still wiping the group tons. I semi quit raiding next tier because I was bored and busy with real life. I didn't care one bit for Alphascape savage but I did do O9S and people were wiping that insanely easy fight. You have gotten 3 turns down in a week which is very possible if you spend lots of time trying to learn and that is CLEARLY what you have done. Sure, go beat E4S and then claim there is no challenging endgame content when you haven't killed both ultimates yet. AGAIN, IT IS NOT EASILY BEATABLE. You seriously just got lucky. I can't find a party worth a damn to even clear the first turn this tier yet but I expect that cause it is a pick up group by definition and I have been in 2 hours at most.

PS: You dont speak for the entirety of players here just cause you got lucky groups. More endgame content would be nice but for people that want challenging content there is ultimate. And I mean actual Ultimate clears... not using voice call outs for the mechanics via a bot like players have done to trivialize it. Also, I can't stress this enough. If you are bored with the monotonous cycle where gear is useless in 3 months then why are you hurting yourself and then unsubbing before doing it over again. You clearly dont enjoy it so why even play at all at that point?

Luck? No, I put in time and unfortunately, during week 1 you do have to either leave a group if you think it's not working out, or reform with those who proved they can perform. It's not personal, but if people are dying then noone in that group is going to clear. You call it luck when I said beforehand I was going to clear 1-3 the first week? Anyways, my point was not to try to imply I'm 'better than everyone else'. I really don't think that at all. That's where your insecurity comes in. I'm telling you that I shouldn't be clearing this content this quickly. That's a design fault, not a result of me being some kind of godlike player. I'm also pretty close to clearing e4s right now as well. It amazes me that people are enjoying the same old cycle of content fed to them for 6 years with the tomestone/extreme/savage formula and such. Do you not want the devs to try to innovate just a tad? Your blind acceptance of this formula just encourages laziness from them.

P.S. I only brought up me clearing these raids as proof of what we've been saying before, since you guys love to rail others who ask for more endgame stuff when they don't show as having Savage clears, as if that disqualifies them from wanting more robust endgame content. Now I give you proof of what people have been saying about the content being too easy, and you call it luck. Yeah, okay. Believe what you want to.

[Ibkee]

Luck? No, I put in time and unfortunately, during week 1 you do have to either leave a group if you think it's not working out, or reform with those who proved they can perform. It's not personal, but if people are dying then noone in that group is going to clear. You call it luck when I said beforehand I was going to clear 1-3 the first week? Anyways, my point was not to try to imply I'm 'better than everyone else'. I really don't think that at all. That's where your insecurity comes in. I'm telling you that I shouldn't be clearing this content this quickly. That's a design fault, not a result of me being some kind of godlike player. I'm also pretty close to clearing e4s right now as well. It amazes me that people are enjoying the same old cycle of content fed to them for 6 years with the tomestone/extreme/savage formula and such. Do you not want the devs to try to innovate just a tad? Your blind acceptance of this formula just encourages laziness from them.

P.S. I only brought up me clearing these raids as proof of what we've been saying before, since you guys love to rail others who ask for more endgame stuff when they don't show as having Savage clears, as if that disqualifies them from wanting more robust endgame content. Now I give you proof of what people have been saying about the content being too easy, and you call it luck. Yeah, okay. Believe what you want to.

For context, you've been moaning about the game being too easy and the formula being too boring for at least 4 years now. I'm not quite sure what you want people to tell you, at this stage.

People can make excuses like "oh, Ultimate is coming in 5.1" or "the world first clear time for e4s was in line with o4s", but at the end of the day it gets dark. It's obvious the game isn't what you're looking for. While others are contented, you demand more. It's not enough for you and it never will be. You don't enjoy Final Fantasy XIV, you enjoy your idealised version of Final Fantasy XIV that doesn't exist and will never exist.

There's nothing wrong with feeling the way you do, but lashing out at people who actively enjoy the game for being what is won't do much. Note, enjoy, not put up with. You seem to think we just ignore what you perceive as the game's flaws, rather than those being one of the big reasons we play in the first place.
My advice is to get your e4s clear, then unsub until Ultimate, likely coming in October. Then again, perhaps you may find peace of mind by simply searching out a new experience which ticks the boxes for you. Have you tried WoW?

[Zabuza]

For context, you've been moaning about the game being too easy and the formula being too boring for at least 4 years now. I'm not quite sure what you want people to tell you, at this stage.

People can make excuses like "oh, Ultimate is coming in 5.1" or "the world first clear time for e4s was in line with o4s", but at the end of the day it gets dark. It's obvious the game isn't what you're looking for. While others are contented, you demand more. It's not enough for you and it never will be. You don't enjoy Final Fantasy XIV, you enjoy your idealised version of Final Fantasy XIV that doesn't exist and will never exist.

There's nothing wrong with feeling the way you do, but lashing out at people who actively enjoy the game for being what is won't do much. Note, enjoy, not put up with. You seem to think we just ignore what you perceive as the game's flaws, rather than those being one of the big reasons we play in the first place.
My advice is to get your e4s clear, then unsub until Ultimate, likely coming in October. Then again, perhaps you may find peace of mind by simply searching out a new experience which ticks the boxes for you. Have you tried WoW?

I lashed out because quite a few were actively trying to shut down my opinions and block my suggestions from reaching devs by saying 'no, everything is fine nothing new needs to be added even endgame is completely perfect.' Yes, I have tried WoW for about a year and left. Thank you bringing out my post from 4 years ago. I didn't even remember it existed. Kinda sad to think back on it now and realize no effort has been put in from the dev team to make endgame any better. You may be right that perhaps I should quit. But this game won't retain any kind of sizable endgame base with this formula. It really is missing out. That concerned me because FF has been my favorite franchise since I was a kid and I wanted them to succeed. I wanted them to draw in casuals and endgame players alike. It simply cannot keep endgame players like this, though. It is sad to think about. Maybe not for casuals, but for me, it is. But I guess what you and others are trying to say is you guys don't really want to coexist with raiders at all. You are afraid that we will somehow tarnish your jewel by making suggestions to try to better this game.

Sorry, I shouldn't be harsh in my tone with you since you haven't been towards me. Honestly, if there was an MMO out there that I have enjoyed recently, I'd definitely go there in a second.

[Millybonk]

For context, you've been moaning about the game being too easy and the formula being too boring for at least 4 years now. I'm not quite sure what you want people to tell you, at this stage.

People can make excuses like "oh, Ultimate is coming in 5.1" or "the world first clear time for e4s was in line with o4s", but at the end of the day it gets dark. It's obvious the game isn't what you're looking for. While others are contented, you demand more. It's not enough for you and it never will be. You don't enjoy Final Fantasy XIV, you enjoy your idealised version of Final Fantasy XIV that doesn't exist and will never exist.

There's nothing wrong with feeling the way you do, but lashing out at people who actively enjoy the game for being what is won't do much. Note, enjoy, not put up with. You seem to think we just ignore what you perceive as the game's flaws, rather than those being one of the big reasons we play in the first place.
My advice is to get your e4s clear, then unsub until Ultimate, likely coming in October. Then again, perhaps you may find peace of mind by simply searching out a new experience which ticks the boxes for you. Have you tried WoW?

I already get suspicious when someone is labeling criticism as "moaning".

And you don't disappoint:

• He is criticizing the clear lack of lvl 80 content, one distinct topic of the whole that if FF14, and in your mind that equates to "You don't enjoy FF14". Please describe your trail of though step by step until you can reach such a conclusion while adhering to logical coherence
• How do you know "it's not enough for him and it will never be"? And how can you proclaim that "...others are content" when the forums/in-game chat is filled with criticism? Do you somehow speak for an unnamed majority?
• Offering harsh criticism is "lashing out at people"?
• A sub-game like a MMORPGs depends on longevity, and here you are telling someone who wants to stay stubbed to play challenging content to "come back later when more of the same will be on the menu". Not the smartest advice, hm?

Just from that single post of yours you strike me as someone who can't face criticism and instead of falsifying the counter-arguments you resorts to hiding behind unnamed majorities "...others are content" or trying to discredit the bearer of said criticism, here labeling criticism as "moaning".

[Ibkee]

I already get suspicious when someone is labeling criticism as "moaning".

And you don't disappoint:[LIST][*]He is criticizing the clear lack of lvl 80 content, one distinct topic of the whole that if FF14, and in your mind that equates to "You don't enjoy FF14". Please describe your trail of though step by step until you can reach such a conclusion while adhering to logical coherence

Hi, welcome to the thread, 120+ pages late. Not just the thread, the discussion that has been ongoing about this very topic since the beginning.

He is actually criticising, at present, the lack of challenging content, not the lack of content itself. The game's too easy for him, except Ultimate which of course neither of you have done. There's content but ultimately he finds it boring and unrewarding. The formula continues to grate him just as it did in HeavensWard. He's burned out.

[*]How do you know "it's not enough for him and it will never be"? And how can you proclaim that "...others are content" when the forums/in-game chat is filled with criticism? Do you somehow speak for an unnamed majority?

It's not enough and never will be simply because those who complain have been complaining for years.

I can speak for a majority when hard figures show only 5% of the active accounts complete Savage beyond the first few tiers.

I play the game, my wife plays the game, my friends play the game, I have a cousin who does too. I know for a fact others are quite happy as things stand. Small sample sizes yes, but note, subscriber count is only growing.

[*]A sub-game like a MMORPGs depends on longevity, and here you are telling someone who wants to stay stubbed to play challenging content to "come back later when more of the same will be on the menu". Not the smartest advice, hm?

You seem confused. It's Yoshi P, the director and producer of Final Fantasy XIV who suggests those who are bored should unsub between patches. This isn't a flaw, it's by design

Just from that single post of yours you strike me as someone who can't face criticism and instead of falsifying the counter-arguments you resorts to hiding behind unnamed majorities "...others are content" or trying to discredit the bearer of said criticism, here labeling criticism as "moaning".

Go be patronising somewhere else, thanks.