Disrespectful and Dismissive.

[Billythepancake]

Removing a Broil replacer that happened every 30 sec = gutted. Completely changed SCH gameplay from interesting, fun and engaging to a snooze fest. Mkay.

Let me fix that for you friend "having 2 dots to manage,with different timers so you had to watch when to reapply them, a fairy to actually manage because it was not a part of your ogcds, or gcds, so you had to multi task. The ability of miasma II being both a slight dps gain and a better weaving tool but at the cost of being a mana risk, and the complete lack of resource management outside of ED on aetherflow as well as nothing to do on aoe besides AoW now has completely changed SCH from it's core dps/hybrid class that required you to pay attention to both your surroundings for fairy placement, and your resources in both mp and aetherflow, into a 1 button snooze fest where you sometimes indom or excog"

[KanameYuuki]

SCH also lost the choice of Shadow Flare vs SS, and then Bane for that nice juggle of both DoTs.

Both SCH and AST got gutted hard, I can't even decide which had it worse.

[Billythepancake]

SCH also lost the choice of Shadow Flare vs SS, and then Bane for that nice juggle of both DoTs.

Both SCH and AST got gutted hard, I can't even decide which had it worst.

Yeah, my mistake. Aha. SCH lost so much it's hard to remember every single thing they lost at points.

[tikiwiki]

SCH still plays very different than WHM or AST. Each healer needs the standard heal spells as much as each tank needs tank stance and cooldowns.
I play all 3 and they feel still unique in their playstyle.

Also fun is very subjectiv (especially with the new card system for AST).
I realise, that a part of the playerbase is not enjoying the new healing aspects, but most comments describe it much worse than it is and most are also only talking about the dps ... but SCH, WHM and AST are healer classes.
WHM lost 1 aoe dot. SCH lost 1 dot and bane (miasma was just exchanged with AoW). AST dps is the same.

The healing toolkits got some really nice additions in my opinion.

most of my time spent playing sch i feel no different to playing a whm except instead of casting glare and dia im casting broil and biolysis

[Ardox]

The essential outright removal of Selene (in terms of function) does bother me. I don't recall hearing a sufficient explanation behind that decision. Just... why? Why do that? Why take away options?

My personal take is I feel they wanted the fairies to work like AST sects and didn't got the time to make that change work.

Healers since HW have been split into shield and regen and I think the devs now see that split is just too complicated to balance correctly. Eg: They want to every compositions work so this means they hardly can implement boss with unavoidable raid wide damage that takes shields into account. Once everyone is topped, shields give you additional HP which mean you can survive an attack that hit you for 100% of your health: that would mean a composition of WHM/WHM would never be able to clear (yes I know about Forgall bring-everyone-to-1HP attack, but you can't die by that specific attack).

[JWag12787]

The way I see it (I've played WHM and SCH), the healer classes are balanced as far as healing. The problem is, everyone, including the healer, thinks they need adjustments to focus on more than just the healing end of it.

[Billythepancake]

The way I see it (I've played WHM and SCH), the healer classes are balanced as far as healing. The problem is, everyone, including the healer, thinks they need adjustments to focus on more than just the healing end of it.

Because the healing end is fine, every healer can heal just fine and keep their teams alive, the problem is when you're not healing, which is most of the time (bare minimum is half of the time), so when you're not healing you're spamming 1 button. That's not exciting, or fun, or engaging.

[tikiwiki]

Because the healing end is fine, every healer can heal just fine and keep their teams alive, the problem is when you're not healing, which is most of the time (bare minimum is half of the time), so when you're not healing you're spamming 1 button. That's not exciting, or fun, or engaging.

half the time a very generous as well, not even a third of my casts as a sch are healing skills

[TankHunter678]

Was. Since 5.05, it can keep up very well with the other healers in terms of RDPS and it's healing kit is very strong after the buffs.

The only really awkward thing with AST is that one of the strongest cooldowns, Earthly Star, requires some planning and requires people to stand in it. Which is too much to ask from DF and most PFs.

As for the numbers, people are still under the impression that "AST is trash". The endless whining on the forums does not help either. It is very easy for most people to adopt the "community opinion", which is no longer accurate. AST is strong. In fact, I'd say that the healers are more balanced than they've ever been.

Its healing kit is still weak for single target healing. Its rDPS has hardly improved, rather the healing requirements were higher up with the later savage fights so that WHM and SCH was having to heal more. Not to mention that the AST parse numbers are hardly increasing at all, still taking up only 3.3% (95 out of 2918) of all healer parses up at E4S (E1S AST is 13.4% 4624 of 34360, E2S 9.4% 1949 of 20633, 7.2% 739 of 10200).

If AST was strong then that number should have shot up a lot by now and the gap in normal mode should have been shrunk considerably, but the 5.05 changes did not have such a grandiose effect on the numbers. Every region is still complaining about it with JP complaining even more then we are.

Clearly only the elite and luckiest of ASTs are able to make the class work for their groups, but you are still better off with the consistency of using a WHM and SCH instead.

[tesni_g]

Well so far Mr. Happy is ok with the healer changes - astro- and if the team is listening to anyone it's the twitchers and youtubers. So -oof-

We need to conspire with Mr. Happy's AST to start stacking cards on the healers and tanks. Once he stops getting cards, he'll have a problem with the class, I'm sure.

Seriously though, is there any streamer/content person for FFXIV healing that we could start following in droves and propel into internet stardom? We need one of the "big ones" to be a healer, to be heard.

Just kidding about Mr Happy obviously, but at the same time I really don't want to hear DPS mains talk about healing when their perspective is "what raid utility does the green icon give to me."