Bard in FF14 is so much like Hunter without Pet in Ragnarok Online

[SaitoHikari]

You’re not reading what the argument is actually about. Maybe pause for a bit, think, and wait for an hour before coming up with a response.

We have been trying to tell you that no one is disputing that Dancer support is higher than every other DPS in the game.

What we’re arguing is whether it was worth it.

In the context of this expansion, the developers decided that having support options will come at a tax to your personal damage. Exactly how much this tax is appears to be rather arbitrary, going off of Ninja’s situation.

There’s literally no way Bard will get some support back without being taxed too. Going off your earlier suggestions, I don’t believe you understand that, or are actually prepared for what may happen in the low chance that the developers actually look at Bard anytime soon.

(Also, the way you speak in regards to the data sounds like you’re subtracting personal DPS score from raid DPS score or vice-versa. That’s not how that works. At all.)

[TcomJ]

You’re not reading what the argument is actually about. Maybe pause for a bit, think, and wait for an hour before coming up with a response.

We have been trying to tell you that no one is disputing that Dancer support is higher than every other DPS in the game.

What we’re arguing is whether it was worth it.

In the context of this expansion, the developers decided that having support options will come at a tax to your personal damage. Exactly how much this tax is appears to be rather arbitrary, going off of Ninja’s situation.

There’s literally no way Bard will get some support back without being taxed too. Going off your earlier suggestions, I don’t believe you understand that, or are actually prepared for what may happen in the low chance that the developers actually look at Bard anytime soon.

(Also, the way you speak in regards to the data sounds like you’re subtracting personal DPS score from raid DPS score or vice-versa. That’s not how that works. At all.)

This is my thread one. And I have already said before they can lower personal DPS to keep the job identity. I've said so many times if they make every thing into just DPS number generator, people will be competing mostly for those numbers anyway and ignore all RPG aesthetic of roles.

Hence I have said people that have been arguing with me so far only care about their personal DPS or worry about their place for their new job DNC.

[HyoMinPark]

This is my thread one. And I have already said before they can lower personal DPS to keep the job identity. I've said so many times if they make every thing into just DPS number generator, people will be competing mostly for those numbers anyway and ignore all RPG aesthetic of roles.

I've read through this thread multiple times trying to find this argument, and I don't see it anywhere. Mind actually quoting it?

Regardless, with FFLogs switching to rDPS, padding matters less and less.

Hence I have said people that have been arguing with me so far only care about their personal DPS or worry about their place for their new job DNC.

This just proves that you haven't been reading the arguments, because in none of them have posters claimed they care about their personal damage nor are they saying DNC should be better than BRD.

I don't care whether my job has a place or not because I'm not a meta slave, and my static doesn't want me to be. I care that the physical ranged are all equally balanced without scales tipping in favor of one over the other three (which, has been the tendency for the last two years - BRD was blatantly favored over MCH throughout SB). As it stands currently, the three are closer to one another than the physical ranged ever have been.

[TcomJ]

I've read through this thread multiple times trying to find this argument, and I don't see it anywhere. Mind actually quoting it?

Regardless, with FFLogs switching to rDPS, padding matters less and less.



This just proves that you haven't been reading the arguments, because in none of them have posters claimed they care about their personal damage nor are they saying DNC should be better than BRD.

I don't care whether my job has a place or not because I'm not a meta slave, and my static doesn't want me to be. I care that the physical ranged are all equally balanced without scales tipping in favor of one over the other three (which, has been the tendency for the last two years - BRD was blatantly favored over MCH throughout SB). As it stands currently, the three are closer to one another than the physical ranged ever have been.

And you haven't been reading the formulae and the things I have said. I do not need to read yours. You were even insisting that DNC don't give as much dmg buffs as bard do without even knowing the equations. LOL

[alimdia]

Buddy this isn't rocket science. If Dancer does 9000 DPS by himself and gives 1200 DPS to the raid in the form of buffs, dancer is contributing 10200 rDPS to the raid.

If Bard does 10300 DPS by himself and gives 500 DPS to the raid in the form of buffs, bard is contributing 10500 rDPS to the raid.

Everything you're saying about aDPS literally doesn't matter, aDPS is a metric that can't be compared to rDPS because it literally removes damage, aDPS is meant to ignore any gains from single target buffs and that gain isn't applied to anyone (unlike the rDPS metric which redistributes it), it's straight up removed. aDPS is just there so you can compare yourself to other people of the same job without it being dependent on your singlet target buff partner playing well, by removing it completely.

Now that we established that rDPS is the only metric that matters for this discussion, in the hypothetical numbers I gave above, Bard's 10500 total rDPS would be bigger than Dancer's 10300 total rDPS.

The actual numbers aren't too far off from the hypothetical according to the site



Not only is bard ahead of dancer, bard doesn't depend as much on other people making proper use of their buffs, dancer's rdps will tank if people are dying or playing badly.

[TcomJ]

Buddy this isn't rocket science. If Dancer does 9000 DPS by himself and gives 1200 DPS to the raid in the form of buffs, dancer is contributing 10200 rDPS to the raid.

If Bard does 10300 DPS by himself and gives 500 DPS to the raid in the form of buffs, bard is contributing 10500 rDPS to the raid.

Everything you're saying about aDPS literally doesn't matter, aDPS is a metric that can't be compared to rDPS because it literally removes damage, aDPS is meant to ignore any gains from single target buffs and that gain isn't applied to anyone (unlike the rDPS metric which redistributes it), it's straight up removed. aDPS is just there so you can compare yourself to other people of the same job without it being dependent on your singlet target buff partner playing well, by removing it completely.

Now that we established that rDPS is the only metric that matters for this discussion, in the hypothetical numbers I gave above, Bard's 10500 total rDPS would be bigger than Dancer's 10300 total rDPS.

The actual numbers aren't too far off from the hypothetical according to the site



Not only is bard ahead of dancer, bard doesn't depend as much on other people making proper use of their buffs, dancer's rdps will tank if people are dying or playing badly.

The job that was meant to inspire and buff other people like before? Yes, the difference of the damage from giving dmg to the party members, next.