Vote Kick griefing

[White_Wolf_X]

This is easy to get around. Usually I'm in a premade with 2 others and when someone does this. We have no issue waiting the timer out and then dismissing the person in question. There are some strong classes, but no heale that can solo bosses. We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over. Engage a boss to avoid a vote kick, you're going to hit the floor eventually. And then you'll be out of combat and removed. Likely before you're done loading in after the respawn.

By all means, try it though. Such actions are going to look really really bad to a GM though. But ball is in your court, not mine.

Guess you and your "premade" make use of the vote kick a lot then, good for you i guess.

Also why would it "look really really bad to a GM" no one are breaking any rules by not rolling on the item right away.

inb4 "playstyle differences"

[Vahlnir]

If it happened exactly the way you said it did then yes it is probably a reportable offense. We only have one side of the story, however. A lot of things can factor into a vote to kick.

[Kaethra]

Guess you and your "premade" make use of the vote kick a lot then, good for you i guess.

We do. Did so the day before yesterday. Though the issue with that healer was they weren't pulling their own weight at all. They couldn't keep themselves alive. And on the second near failed attempt, they pulled the plug while loot was going and the boss was still alive. Thankfully a LB from me finished off the boss after the tank eventually went down. We had to wait 3 minutes because of this little trick of yours to get a replacement.

Judging by the response I got, the three minutes they wasted, cost them a bit longer. So yeah.. try your shenanigans. I'm not going to stop you. That's not my job to. There are those who are paid for it though. Your choice in the end.

[AniKai]

I routinely attempt to get single-target DPS kicked from lvl 60+ dungeons but the party rarely goes through with it.

Now I know whom to vote-kick by default. People like you - even if I'm a tank or healer.

[AniKai]

This is easy to get around. Usually I'm in a premade with 2 others and when someone does this. We have no issue waiting the timer out and then dismissing the person in question. There are some strong classes, but no heale that can solo bosses. We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over. Engage a boss to avoid a vote kick, you're going to hit the floor eventually. And then you'll be out of combat and removed. Likely before you're done loading in after the respawn.

By all means, try it though. Such actions are going to look really really bad to a GM though. But ball is in your court, not mine.

Vote kick on basis of not rolling on items? What if I don't want any of the items and simply don't bother to even check them - even less to press any buttons for them.

[Katie_Kitty]

The party can kick you for whatever reason they want.

[White_Wolf_X]

We do. Did so the day before yesterday. Though the issue with that healer was they weren't pulling their own weight at all. They couldn't keep themselves alive. And on the second near failed attempt, they pulled the plug while loot was going and the boss was still alive. Thankfully a LB from me finished off the boss after the tank eventually went down. We had to wait 3 minutes because of this little trick of yours to get a replacement.

Judging by the response I got, the three minutes they wasted, cost them a bit longer. So yeah.. try your shenanigans. I'm not going to stop you. That's not my job to. There are those who are paid for it though. Your choice in the end.

How do you know they "pulled the plug" and didn't just dc/internet died? cause from what you are saying the person could not keep themselves alive which could be because of lag.
When you use duty roulette you should expect to get people who are either not that good at the game or might have bad internet that act up every now and then, who knows.

The party can kick you for whatever reason they want.

Not really, they can "kick" for the reasons that in the options, which sadly get abused alot.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Or for differences in playstyle, stated by GMs in several occasions.

[Nixxe]

If the "playstyle differences" was really a valid reason, the devs would have put it into the options when using the vote kick system a long time ago.

Nah.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

Greetings!

To begin, I have removed several posts commenting negatively about the company or the service itself, as well as a side discussion about the use of spell checking. Those suggestions have been heard, but take away from the concerns in this thread, which is a criticism of policy and confusion resulting from a message sent by a GM.

I have escalated several of the concerns with the messaging to the appropriate group for review and ways to improve their messaging to prevent confusion like this.

However, there is one topic in this thread that seems to be an underlying point of contention: reasons for dismissal that are not strictly "AFK", "Offline", "Harassment", or "Cheating". I would like to address this.

The response from the GM touched on this, although it was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples. Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function. Because of this, it is possible that the reasons provided for dismissal may be found to be accurate if they are used against you. As well, the feelings one may have about the reasons may differ from the feelings of those who voted to dismiss. For example, cultural differences in language may have one person using language they find fairly benign while another person takes great offense to it.

Because of these subjective discrepancies, the final decision on if a violation of the use of the vote dismiss feature is left to a GM after an investigation. In general, abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered to be a grief tactics violation, which falls under section 3.2 in the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement. However, it is only after a GM investigation that it can be determined to be a violation of the rules. If you feel that the vote dismiss feature has been abused, please do report it to the GMs through the Help Desk in game, and we will investigate.

LGM Enkrateia

Additionally, the OP in that thread contains the response from the GM establishing that playstyle differences are a valid kick reason. The only thing that constitutes griefing, at least as far as vote dismiss goes, is using it to prevent someone from completing content.



If people disagree with SE's policy, by all means do so, but what's permitted is pretty well settled. If you want to argue it further, you're gonna have to convince SE that you know more about what they meant than they did.

[Crasherino]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.