Vote Kick griefing

[White_Wolf_X]

This is easy to get around. Usually I'm in a premade with 2 others and when someone does this. We have no issue waiting the timer out and then dismissing the person in question. There are some strong classes, but no heale that can solo bosses. We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over. Engage a boss to avoid a vote kick, you're going to hit the floor eventually. And then you'll be out of combat and removed. Likely before you're done loading in after the respawn.

By all means, try it though. Such actions are going to look really really bad to a GM though. But ball is in your court, not mine.

Guess you and your "premade" make use of the vote kick a lot then, good for you i guess.

Also why would it "look really really bad to a GM" no one are breaking any rules by not rolling on the item right away.

inb4 "playstyle differences"

[Kaethra]

Guess you and your "premade" make use of the vote kick a lot then, good for you i guess.

We do. Did so the day before yesterday. Though the issue with that healer was they weren't pulling their own weight at all. They couldn't keep themselves alive. And on the second near failed attempt, they pulled the plug while loot was going and the boss was still alive. Thankfully a LB from me finished off the boss after the tank eventually went down. We had to wait 3 minutes because of this little trick of yours to get a replacement.

Judging by the response I got, the three minutes they wasted, cost them a bit longer. So yeah.. try your shenanigans. I'm not going to stop you. That's not my job to. There are those who are paid for it though. Your choice in the end.

[AniKai]

This is easy to get around. Usually I'm in a premade with 2 others and when someone does this. We have no issue waiting the timer out and then dismissing the person in question. There are some strong classes, but no heale that can solo bosses. We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over. Engage a boss to avoid a vote kick, you're going to hit the floor eventually. And then you'll be out of combat and removed. Likely before you're done loading in after the respawn.

By all means, try it though. Such actions are going to look really really bad to a GM though. But ball is in your court, not mine.

Vote kick on basis of not rolling on items? What if I don't want any of the items and simply don't bother to even check them - even less to press any buttons for them.

[Vnolan]

If the "playstyle differences" was really a valid reason, the devs would have put it into the options when using the vote kick system a long time ago

They probably don't want it being used any more than necessary. I mentioned that kicks rarely go through, but that's because there are many players that think using in that way can get them in trouble. If they added it as an option, it would be see more use and it would have invalid uses to go with it (kicking because of race, etc.)

Also tip to OP, just don't roll on items until the end of the dungeon or until the last few secs of the roll ( or when in combat with last boss )

Being unable to remove a player at a given moment due to combat or loot does not remove the option to do it for the entire run and only delays it.

Also why would it "look really really bad to a GM" no one are breaking any rules by not rolling on the item right away.

Vote kick on basis of not rolling on items? What if I don't want any of the items and simply don't bother to even check them - even less to press any buttons for them.

We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over.

A DPS can't pull mobs ahead of the tank after being told not to and evade a kick by not rolling on loot or entering combat.

Now I know whom to vote-kick by default. People like you - even if I'm a tank or healer.

Kicking a DPS that doesn't AoE and by extension healers or tanks that don't do their jobs - bad
Kicking someone because of what they said on an internet forum - good
Stay classy, Official Forum

The party can kick you for whatever reason they want.

You can only kick for reasons that affect gameplay. You can't kick for job, race, glamour, name, to get loot, to invite a friend or to grief, among other reasons. Whether the GMs will punish for those reasons is another story. (Before someone brings up jobs affecting gameplay, it's impossible to have every job in your party. If you could kick based on job, there would no such thing as vote-kick abuse as you could just say you wanted whichever jobs weren't in the party at that time.)

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

If the person to be dismissed prevented you from kicking earlier.

From the policy:
・Intentional leaving or disconnection

This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server."

So I can't kick the terribles out and I'm not allowed to leave to avoid the them?

You can leave, but only by using the option to do it, not by closing the game or disconnecting from the internet.

[Crasherino]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.

[AniKai]

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.

TBH, if I see healer doing damage AND keeping me (and everyone else alive while at it), it's a bonus, but it's not their job though - if they do damage, that's ok (as long as they don't get anyone killed because of neglecting their REAL JOB). Aside that tho, as a tank, if healer feels confident enough to do dps willy nilly while everyone stays alive, it kinda makes me feel that I'm doing my part right by not having to be healed 24/7 and then some.

[Nixxe]

Not doing enough damage as a healer is not a "playstyle difference" though, is it? a difference of playstyle would involve something like the healer not wanting to heal during big pulls, or not wanting to speed run the dungeon when everyone else wants to etc, pretty sure if the OP is telling the truth then the people kicking him deserve punishment, especially purposfully kicking at the last boss.

The point is more that it's such a vague statement that it's tantamount to SE telling us they're taking a really hands off approach to vote dismiss, so for all intents and purposes anything goes as long as you aren't a jerk about it.

[Mikhaill]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

So it took them all up until the final boss for them to decide he wasn't good enough?
There is either more he's not telling us (which is likely) or they abused it and probably gonna be punished for it.
Two sides here and all.

[Riblet]

So it took them all up until the final boss for them to decide he wasn't good enough?
There is either more he's not telling us (which is likely) or they abused it and probably gonna be punished for it.
Two sides here and all.

Well, you can't kick at the start of the dungeon, and I believe you can't kick while loot in being rolled on. So if you Kill a boss, don't roll on the loot, get to the 2nd chest after the 2nd and 3rd boss, the loot from those needs to be rolled on. So maybe just before the final boss was then the loot timers finally ran out. Just a thought, as i've seen trolls / griefers like to use loot vote kick immunity in 24 mans on occasion.

[Nedkel]

Well, you can't kick at the start of the dungeon, and I believe you can't kick while loot in being rolled on. So if you Kill a boss, don't roll on the loot, get to the 2nd chest after the 2nd and 3rd boss, the loot from those needs to be rolled on. So maybe just before the final boss was then the loot timers finally ran out. Just a thought, as i've seen trolls / griefers like to use loot vote kick immunity in 24 mans on occasion.

If the run is going so great that, there is no spare time between each chest for rewards timer to wear off, then i dont see the problem here.

Some guys are getting wow-crazy about others performance.
Like, how much are they going to save if they kick the healer, if they are able to run from boss to boss in reasonable amount of time? Healer class is in demand it takes at least 3-4 minutes to find one willing to join dungeon in progress.
This kind of behaviour is petty, is lame, and people who do that should get a break from the game.