Vote Kick griefing

[Nixxe]

So it took them all up until the final boss for them to decide he wasn't good enough?
There is either more he's not telling us (which is likely) or they abused it and probably gonna be punished for it.
Two sides here and all.

I kicked a RDM a couple of weeks ago for being generally unpleasant. They got kicked right before the last boss because they were there with their tank friend and that just happened to be the first opportunity to kick them because the loot had sat there unrolled on the rest of the run.

[Raven2014]

First story: while I'm fully entrenched on the healer DPS side of the argument, what you described in your post is no reason for kicking. But a few verification point:

- How did you know they are premade? Did you look them up on Lodgestone to see they're from the same FC or they were talking in PC.
- You said "not doing enough damage" and not " didn't do any damage". How did you know this is the reason?
- ^ if the above is not your assumption, then that reason must have been communicated to you somehow. Depending on how they said it, it can be used as proof that they're harrasing people using parser which is something the GM is pretty anal about. If you report them what that evidence, even if they're off the hook for griefing, they still gonna be on the hook for even a worse offend.


Second story: again, from just your words there is no reason to kick there. But also, I assumed there were exchanged of words where both parties refuses to back down. In my experience when thing escalate it will be less about who right/wrong originally, but the other party members will often distance from whoever come across as aggressive or overly-defensive. Many years ago it had happened to me, I was 100% in the right, but end up being the one got kicked, upon self-reflecting I must have come across as a "not so nice" person (although I still believe 100% the other party is an idiot). I learn from that and if this applies to you, learn from it to. Usually things like this can be resolved very quickly if one person to take a step back and apology, even if you don't mean it.

[Makeda]

Superboilde - knocks you to 1hp and the. The healer has to heal you up. I could see a healer freaking out over that but I would need a lot more info to know if that freak out was justified.

Not DPSing as a healer: I could see a group freaking out over this.

Not doing ENOUGH DPS as a healer: any metric through which they determined this would itself be a TOS violation...

As noted, fights are balanced around the DPS if the DPS, and not that of the healers or even the tanks... while I could see people complaining about a healer that does no DPS (at which point they’re likely half AFK...), measuring the amount is actually pointless even in Savage. If your healer’s DPS is letting you clear an enrage timer in savage the real issue is the DPSer’s DPS.

[Nixxe]

Superboilde - knocks you to 1hp and the. The healer has to heal you up. I could see a healer freaking out over that but I would need a lot more info to know if that freak out was justified.

Here is how every Superbolide goes:

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

I read that as Kick Vic. Lul

[Ardox]

If it happened exactly like you said, you should report them for abusing the kick feature

[Vnolan]

If they didn't say anything in chat that would indicate the kick was done to grief, nothing will happen to them as it would fall under "differences in playstyle". A healer not doing enough damage is a valid reason to dismiss.

Not doing ENOUGH DPS as a healer: any metric through which they determined this would itself be a TOS violation...

Castbars and DoTs on targets.

[HWalsh]

If they didn't say anything in chat that would indicate the kick was done to grief, nothing will happen to them as it would fall under "differences in playstyle". A healer not doing enough damage is a valid reason to dismiss.


Castbars and DoTs on targets.

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

It can be pretty telling when your healer is just sitting there spamming cure, or waiting around for you to take damage. Parsing isn't needed to see lazy players.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

0 DPS would be very clear

If DPS started pressing one button every 5 seconds and got away with it, you'd be singing a different tune really fast. Also, it's a multi-player game. No one's there to carry others.

Blacklist doesn't work for roulettes. But I do hope they blacklisted OP so they don't crash their PF parties with "you don't pay my sub" mentality.