Vote Kick griefing

[Ardox]

This is entirely wishful thinking on your part and has no bearing on reality.

One point I specifically want to touch on is that the policy change last year didn't actually change anything with respect to vote dismiss. It's the same policy outlined in the GM's response that I linked, just worded slightly differently.

So you give me to give you the big bad NO U treatment?

[Barraind]

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did

This is laughably untrue.

Its pretty easy to tell exactly who is pulling their weight in a dungeon based on dots and debuffs on the mobs and cast bars. Also knowing roughly what each class provides damage-wise and how slow things are dying relative to that.

Here's a hint: If you dont see healer dots on anything or the healer casting damage abilities when you're not in danger of dying, theyre not pulling their weight.

[BatLW]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

If something like this happens in a LAN party, you get kicked for being a douche - from the LAN party.

Just because you recently left WoW and came to FF XIV doesn't mean you gotta bring your toxic gaming behavior too.

[HyoMinPark]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

If something like this happens in a LAN party, you get kicked for being a douche - from the LAN party.

Just because you recently left WoW and came to FF XIV doesn't mean you gotta bring your toxic gaming behavior too.

Never played WoW. However, it's not like the dungeons hit hard enough to warrant 100% healing time and 0% DPS time. Healer DPS is mitigation: things die faster and the tank takes less damage for it in the long run. Casting Holy on a pack of trash to stun them for ~7 seconds is infinitely more useful than spamming Cure I while the tank is at 95% HP.

No other role is allowed to stand around not doing anything half the time. Never understood the mentality that healers are a special exception. As long as they keep people alive, there's no reason for them to not DPS.


EDIT: Wow. I just saw your negative comments concerning Japan being a country that enjoys bullying people. Given that and how you stated you wanted names of the players responsible so that you could give them a piece of your mind... Somehow, I don't think the pro-healer DPS crowd are the toxic elitists in this thread.

[Kaethra]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

Nah. We're just going to pick a new healer from the queue.

Like I said, decision has been made. You can't change our minds. You can beg, plead, threaten, or even bribe but it won't change the fact we're going to dismiss these healers. Just a fact now. Its happening. I've gotten about four of them since this thread started. Probably get a few more this weekend.

If you want to be the 'light' in the darkness, make a PF listing that takes these healers in yourself. Because if they end up in our groups, they're getting dismissed. You can make personal attacks, calling people elitist, calling them rude, calling them bullies. It doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, you don't get a say in our decisions. That's for us to do. You can step aside.

[Sartharina]

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

[Vahlnir]

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

A kick at any point of a dungeon could be considered that. What it comes down to really is the circumstances which we don't know a whole lot about in the OP's case. Whether they deserved it or not is up for debate. First impressions though? I would say no, they did not, based solely on the information we were given. There is always 2 sides to every story though.

[Sub-Xero]

An official but vague policy. Followed to the letter, you could even report people saying Hello to you because you felt offended by it.

Not to mention reality doesn't seem to reflect policy. People still keep kicking for differences in playstyle. People aren't getting punished for it.

From the policy:

"・Improper expulsion voting

This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.


・Intentional leaving or disconnection

This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server."

So I can't kick the terribles out and I'm not allowed to leave to avoid the them? But this causes me great emotional distress and thus they are harassing me with their terribleness. I think we should report SE for stupid, contradictory policies.

[EaMett]

Encounters are NOT balanced around healer "dps", and the devs have stated this before. One could make a case for first-week savage clears (still not balanced around it. this is solely a player-base thing), but even that's pushing it.

This is a little inaccurate. Encounters are designed around no healer dps when at gear level for that encounter (not min ilvl) and with most likely above average players. It was simply impossible to clear titan (and probably others) week 1 without healer dps. Even if you took the best parsed players (100 percentile) and put them in the same group and they all did a 100 percentile run at the same time you would still be short some.

The required gear for healer dps not to be required would be full tomestone gear with whatever augmentation and eden items you can unlock for that floor (from previous floors). And again, above average players and no deaths. In the real world this means healers need to dps for a while.

It usually goes like this: your party isn’t skilled enough to clear without healer dps? Then they clearly need healer dps. Your party is skilled enough to not need any healer dps? Then they will most likely expect you to play on their level of skill and want you to dps.
As far as savage is concerned there usually isn’t much room for no dps healers until much later in the tier (and in practice it usually only works out because at least one of the two healers is dpsing)

With that said. One shouldnt grieve other players. And on anything other than savage/ultimate it’s ridiculous to get upset with a healer for not doing dps. There could be any number of reasons why this would happen and none are kick worthy, especially not at the last boss.

[hynaku]

I got kick after waiting 30 minutes in queue because server decided to kick me and then make me wait in queue for 5 minutes with queue of 4. That's not fair they kick you when wasn't your fault. Now have to start long time waiting again in another queue for dungeon you was in.