Lack of End Game Content

[Hawklaser]

The mix of objectivity and subjectivity is the main problem in this thread.

I accept the definition of end-game content.
I agree there is little end-game content in FF14.

There's many people trying to change the definition, or deny the lack of end-game content, I will disagree with them.

However, I disagree with the notion that lack of end-game is a problem.

Thank you. Though I'll still have to disagree that the lack of endgame is a problem. So we will just have to agree to disagree on that front.

As while I do enjoy plenty of the non endgame content in the game, there are also plenty of times I want stuff that is challenging to do at level cap. In XI, I never had this problem until post abysea and adoulin as those changed the formula to the now typical perpetual gear ladder/treadmill design that MMOs default to.

Its weird now that I think about it more, I wasn't really doing Dynamis, Assault, (whatever WoGs was), just working on all the varied and obtuse quests and just wandering the world which is a whole heck of a lot less endgame than XIV, but yet there was also a lot more to it at the same time. ARR had the same feel to it originally. There was something different to the overall feel, though its hard to put my finger specifically on what caused that difference. One main thing for certain was challenge and danger was more prevalent.

To me XIV is definitely lacking something in the endgame content front. In XI I was as likely to be chilling in Xi Tah as I was trying to do something crazy like soloing Ose or some other high end usefull NM for the heck of it. XIV... theres gear grinds, with the only real challenge being how consistently you perform once figure out a couple mechanics here and there.

[Zabuza]

Anyone happen to notice a plethora of threads popping up recently about different things in this game being too easy or not engaging? But no, everything is fine here. We're just imagining it. We obviously don't have any points that anyone should listen to, according to some of the people in this thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-too-EASY%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-to-each-other
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-a-long-time

We all clearly do not have any valid points however, because we have not maxed our miner to 80 nor done every single achievement in the game. Did you win the jumbo cactpot yet? No? Then your points are invalid!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Anyone happen to notice a plethora of threads popping up recently about different things in this game being too easy or not engaging? But no, everything is fine here. We're just imagining it. We obviously don't have any points that anyone should listen to, according to some of the people in this thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-too-EASY%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-to-each-other
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-a-long-time

Nothing to see here. Move along...

It's usually from the same people who made those posts before. Or those who have mentions of xi in their signature.

[Zabuza]

It's usually from the same people who made those posts before. Or those who have mentions of xi in their signature.

So my question to you is, what would it take for you to actually admit that there is a problem? Or will you just stick your head in the sand no matter what? Since it doesn't affect you personally?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So my question to you is, what would it take for you to actually admit that there is a problem? Or will you just stick your head in the sand no matter what? Since it doesn't affect you personally?

Is there a problem though? I've put over 600 days of playtime into my character, from casual side constant to savage raids. I still find stuff to do, and new content challenging. Why do we need the game to change completely. It's worked fine for years. I'd also like to point out that people have said the game is terrible and is dying since patch 2.1, or even earlier.

Yes, the game has been dead since 2013, we just don't know it yet. All the expansions were lies.

[Zabuza]

Is there a problem though? I've put over 600 days of playtime into my character, from casual side constant to savage raids. I still find stuff to do, and new content challenging. Why do we need the game to change completely. It's worked fine for years. I'd also like to point out that people have said the game is terrible and is dying since patch 2.1, or even earlier.

Yes, the game has been dead since 2013, we just don't know it yet. All the expansions were lies.

Who said this game would change completely? All raiders are asking for is to receive just a tiny bit more content. We're not looking to change your gameplay experience, with the exception of an improvement to your raiding experience. The raider crowd is not out to harm the casuals here.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Who said this game would change completely? All raiders are asking for is to receive just a tiny bit more content. We're not looking to change your gameplay experience, with the exception of an improvement to your raiding experience. The raider crowd is not out to harm the casuals here.

I would hardly say I count as a casual player lol. Not 600 days subbed. 600 days of playtime. Something like 14 or 15000 hours.

Also, unless they released all 3 tiers at once, you'd still run out of raid content in the first week or 2 if you go at that rate. Or they can pull a gordias and make the tiers impossible to clear without gear upgrades weeks or months down the line.

Content creation cannot keep up with the rate of co tent consumption. They dont and would never have the manpower for that.

[AniKai]

.... But no, everything is fine here. We're just imagining it. We obviously don't have any points that anyone should listen to ...
We all clearly do not have any valid points however, because we have not maxed our miner to 80 nor done every single achievement in the game. Did you win the jumbo cactpot yet? No? Then your points are invalid!

Indeed. Everything's fine. Fancy tho, I've got 4100+ hours of gameplay and I've not yet even seen all the raids (especially the very old ones, which no one does anymore)...

[Zabuza]

I would hardly say I count as a casual player lol.

Also, unless they released all 3 tiers at once, you'd still run out of raid content in the first week or 2 if you go at that rate. Or they can pull a gordoas and make the tiers impossible to clear without gear upgrades weeks or months down the line.

Content creation cannot keep up with the rate of co tent consumption. They dont and would never have the manpower for that.

I read your previous reply and how you have done Savage Raids. You make a point about content creation, but the rate of consumption can be decreased with higher difficulty. There is also another alternative, to make a different mode of endgame content that raiders find fun, a fresh experience. Certainly, pug groups should not be clearing out turns 1 to 3 of Savage within the first week. That drastically decreases the shelf life of that content.

Indeed. Everything's fine. Fancy tho, I've got 4100+ hours of gameplay and I've not yet even seen all the raids (especially the very old ones, which no one does anymore)...

Cool. Since that's your experience, that obviously must be everyone else's too. Since it doesn't affect you, it doesn't matter. Got it. That has unfortunately been a pretty prevalent mindset among much of the replies here.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I read your previous reply and how you have done Savage Raids. You make a point about content creation, but the rate of consumption can be decreased with higher difficulty. There is also another alternative, to make a different mode of endgame content that raiders find fun, a fresh experience. Certainly, pug groups should not be clearing out turns 1 to 3 of Savage within the first week. That drastically decreases the shelf life of that content.

You don't think players who do savage as pugs would get better over time of doing savage as pugs? Players used to difficult content will get better at it over time. Things that used to mess you up no longer will. If you become used to adjusting to random players, then that becomes less of a hurdle.

It's very hard to combat the experience you gain while playing, and I don't mean level exp.

JP datacenters pug savage all the time, their clear rates are way higher than ours. They have servers with something approaching 20% clear rates on SB raids. Are you saying those were too easy?