Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

[linay]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

Well, if enough people keep subscribing, then they're voting with their wallet to say that it is okay.

Grats, by the way.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

I would imagine you are in the few % that lucky to clear that quickly, even more so with pugs. My groups still working on e2s, but we only get about 2 nights a week, for a couple hours.

You'll get an ultimate in 3 months. You can always go back and do previous ultimates, or try synced/min ilvl previous tiers. Just because they aren't max level doesn't mean they aren't still a challenge. Hell, if you are really brave, do 2nd coil savage min ilvl.

[Avraym]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

I sympathise with you - I really do.

I'm almost at the same point with Eden, exclusively with PUGS.

It doesn't feel great to be at the end so quickly with no new end game for months to come.

[Zabuza]

I sympathise with you - I really do.

I'm almost at the same point with Eden, exclusively with PUGS.

It doesn't feel great to be at the end so quickly.

Or just some other type of content to go with it. Or a higher difficulty on the savage. Or 1-2 more savage fights added per tier. Anything really...

[Avraym]

Or just some other type of content to go with it. Or a higher difficulty on the savage. Or 1-2 more savage fights added per tier. Anything really...

4 Savages really isn't much of a raid compared to most MMO standards. Even if you include the extremes.

5-6 Savages feel like the right amount we should get for a game this developed.

[Lunafreya]

So status report. Before the first week was over, I cleared turns 1-3 with pug groups. That is now on farm status. I expect to beat e4s before this week is over. Are you really telling me this is fine? That the one piece of content I will get in 6 months, I will have already beaten all of it after 2 weeks, when it used to take top groups 3 weeks to beat the entirety of savage? Now me, with my pug groups, can beat it in 2 weeks. The only piece of content that raiders enjoy is so easily beatable. If you really think this is okay, you're delusional.

P.S. I haven't been no lifeing it. I've been going to my full time job...

So you got lucky with pugs and you claim that's going to happen for many people? Haha my guy there are people in pf that can't grasp simple mechanics and can't even hold their own in a fight. But obviously you are so great and better than everyone else so it is not fine for you to clear that fast. Look, I cleared the ENTIRETY of sigmascape in pugs but were they good pugs? They were better than my static at the time... sure but they were still wiping the group tons. I semi quit raiding next tier because I was bored and busy with real life. I didn't care one bit for Alphascape savage but I did do O9S and people were wiping that insanely easy fight. You have gotten 3 turns down in a week which is very possible if you spend lots of time trying to learn and that is CLEARLY what you have done. Sure, go beat E4S and then claim there is no challenging endgame content when you haven't killed both ultimates yet. AGAIN, IT IS NOT EASILY BEATABLE. You seriously just got lucky. I can't find a party worth a damn to even clear the first turn this tier yet but I expect that cause it is a pick up group by definition and I have been in 2 hours at most.

PS: You dont speak for the entirety of players here just cause you got lucky groups. More endgame content would be nice but for people that want challenging content there is ultimate. And I mean actual Ultimate clears... not using voice call outs for the mechanics via a bot like players have done to trivialize it. Also, I can't stress this enough. If you are bored with the monotonous cycle where gear is useless in 3 months then why are you hurting yourself and then unsubbing before doing it over again. You clearly dont enjoy it so why even play at all at that point?

[Zabuza]

So you got lucky with pugs and you claim that's going to happen for many people? Haha my guy there are people in pf that can't grasp simple mechanics and can't even hold their own in a fight. But obviously you are so great and better than everyone else so it is not fine for you to clear that fast. Look, I cleared the ENTIRETY of sigmascape in pugs but were they good pugs? They were better than my static at the time... sure but they were still wiping the group tons. I semi quit raiding next tier because I was bored and busy with real life. I didn't care one bit for Alphascape savage but I did do O9S and people were wiping that insanely easy fight. You have gotten 3 turns down in a week which is very possible if you spend lots of time trying to learn and that is CLEARLY what you have done. Sure, go beat E4S and then claim there is no challenging endgame content when you haven't killed both ultimates yet. AGAIN, IT IS NOT EASILY BEATABLE. You seriously just got lucky. I can't find a party worth a damn to even clear the first turn this tier yet but I expect that cause it is a pick up group by definition and I have been in 2 hours at most.

PS: You dont speak for the entirety of players here just cause you got lucky groups. More endgame content would be nice but for people that want challenging content there is ultimate. And I mean actual Ultimate clears... not using voice call outs for the mechanics via a bot like players have done to trivialize it. Also, I can't stress this enough. If you are bored with the monotonous cycle where gear is useless in 3 months then why are you hurting yourself and then unsubbing before doing it over again. You clearly dont enjoy it so why even play at all at that point?

Luck? No, I put in time and unfortunately, during week 1 you do have to either leave a group if you think it's not working out, or reform with those who proved they can perform. It's not personal, but if people are dying then noone in that group is going to clear. You call it luck when I said beforehand I was going to clear 1-3 the first week? Anyways, my point was not to try to imply I'm 'better than everyone else'. I really don't think that at all. That's where your insecurity comes in. I'm telling you that I shouldn't be clearing this content this quickly. That's a design fault, not a result of me being some kind of godlike player. I'm also pretty close to clearing e4s right now as well. It amazes me that people are enjoying the same old cycle of content fed to them for 6 years with the tomestone/extreme/savage formula and such. Do you not want the devs to try to innovate just a tad? Your blind acceptance of this formula just encourages laziness from them.

P.S. I only brought up me clearing these raids as proof of what we've been saying before, since you guys love to rail others who ask for more endgame stuff when they don't show as having Savage clears, as if that disqualifies them from wanting more robust endgame content. Now I give you proof of what people have been saying about the content being too easy, and you call it luck. Yeah, okay. Believe what you want to.

[Ibkee]

Luck? No, I put in time and unfortunately, during week 1 you do have to either leave a group if you think it's not working out, or reform with those who proved they can perform. It's not personal, but if people are dying then noone in that group is going to clear. You call it luck when I said beforehand I was going to clear 1-3 the first week? Anyways, my point was not to try to imply I'm 'better than everyone else'. I really don't think that at all. That's where your insecurity comes in. I'm telling you that I shouldn't be clearing this content this quickly. That's a design fault, not a result of me being some kind of godlike player. I'm also pretty close to clearing e4s right now as well. It amazes me that people are enjoying the same old cycle of content fed to them for 6 years with the tomestone/extreme/savage formula and such. Do you not want the devs to try to innovate just a tad? Your blind acceptance of this formula just encourages laziness from them.

P.S. I only brought up me clearing these raids as proof of what we've been saying before, since you guys love to rail others who ask for more endgame stuff when they don't show as having Savage clears, as if that disqualifies them from wanting more robust endgame content. Now I give you proof of what people have been saying about the content being too easy, and you call it luck. Yeah, okay. Believe what you want to.

For context, you've been moaning about the game being too easy and the formula being too boring for at least 4 years now. I'm not quite sure what you want people to tell you, at this stage.

People can make excuses like "oh, Ultimate is coming in 5.1" or "the world first clear time for e4s was in line with o4s", but at the end of the day it gets dark. It's obvious the game isn't what you're looking for. While others are contented, you demand more. It's not enough for you and it never will be. You don't enjoy Final Fantasy XIV, you enjoy your idealised version of Final Fantasy XIV that doesn't exist and will never exist.

There's nothing wrong with feeling the way you do, but lashing out at people who actively enjoy the game for being what is won't do much. Note, enjoy, not put up with. You seem to think we just ignore what you perceive as the game's flaws, rather than those being one of the big reasons we play in the first place.
My advice is to get your e4s clear, then unsub until Ultimate, likely coming in October. Then again, perhaps you may find peace of mind by simply searching out a new experience which ticks the boxes for you. Have you tried WoW?

[Zabuza]

For context, you've been moaning about the game being too easy and the formula being too boring for at least 4 years now. I'm not quite sure what you want people to tell you, at this stage.

People can make excuses like "oh, Ultimate is coming in 5.1" or "the world first clear time for e4s was in line with o4s", but at the end of the day it gets dark. It's obvious the game isn't what you're looking for. While others are contented, you demand more. It's not enough for you and it never will be. You don't enjoy Final Fantasy XIV, you enjoy your idealised version of Final Fantasy XIV that doesn't exist and will never exist.

There's nothing wrong with feeling the way you do, but lashing out at people who actively enjoy the game for being what is won't do much. Note, enjoy, not put up with. You seem to think we just ignore what you perceive as the game's flaws, rather than those being one of the big reasons we play in the first place.
My advice is to get your e4s clear, then unsub until Ultimate, likely coming in October. Then again, perhaps you may find peace of mind by simply searching out a new experience which ticks the boxes for you. Have you tried WoW?

I lashed out because quite a few were actively trying to shut down my opinions and block my suggestions from reaching devs by saying 'no, everything is fine nothing new needs to be added even endgame is completely perfect.' Yes, I have tried WoW for about a year and left. Thank you bringing out my post from 4 years ago. I didn't even remember it existed. Kinda sad to think back on it now and realize no effort has been put in from the dev team to make endgame any better. You may be right that perhaps I should quit. But this game won't retain any kind of sizable endgame base with this formula. It really is missing out. That concerned me because FF has been my favorite franchise since I was a kid and I wanted them to succeed. I wanted them to draw in casuals and endgame players alike. It simply cannot keep endgame players like this, though. It is sad to think about. Maybe not for casuals, but for me, it is. But I guess what you and others are trying to say is you guys don't really want to coexist with raiders at all. You are afraid that we will somehow tarnish your jewel by making suggestions to try to better this game.

Sorry, I shouldn't be harsh in my tone with you since you haven't been towards me. Honestly, if there was an MMO out there that I have enjoyed recently, I'd definitely go there in a second.