Square Enix Team Hates NIN Players.

[Nielk]

Atleast you guys have a spot in the raids. SAM dosen't. There is no point in taking a SAM or a NIN to a raid group at this moment.

Clearly you were not pay attention to recent News Ninja is black listed in prog Kills for Raids. Most regular Party finders Trying to Kill fights Block out ninja and have prefer MNK/SAM/DRG for both melee spots. last expansion ppl didn't like sam but
Atleast you could kill fights back then with sams Now Ninjas are being blamed for enrage wipes. and Reddits Running Rampart with RIP ninjas memes.

[Vendalwind]

We've got a Letter from the Producer Live on August 7. I'm seeing lots of posts on the DPS forum, Reddit, and elsewhere, so I imagine they realize that players are upset by the change. My hope is that they will atleast try to address our concerns during the Live Letter. If they do not, that's going to show a serious disconnect that will need to be remedied.

It actually makes me glad to see so many people fighting for Ninja's sake. The longer people continue to do this and the louder they are, the more likely we are to get a response. The playerbase may not have liked their replies to the genderlocking issues or the handling of healers in Shadowbringers, but they have done what they can to atleast alleviate concerns where they saw them. My hope is for them to do the same with Ninja, atleast for some peace of mind.

get LOUD!!!
Seriously and the more its said, whether with emotion, or mathematical logic, will have an effect

[Roshidon1]

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Can I just say that your signature is amazing.

[Rangar]

SAM may not be in a bad spot, but it's not in a good spot either. Both far eastern jobs (and to some extent BRD) need some serious love. The only thing SAM and BRD can say is to their benefit: at least they're not NIN.

[TaiyouSeishin]

Wait... i got it...
Now follow me on this... maybe, all the ninjas died, and we just came back as DRKs shadowclone, and he just summons a second one every so often... he just lets us keep using daggers...

[RikuGx]

Wait... i got it...
Now follow me on this... maybe, all the ninjas died, and we just came back as DRKs shadowclone, and he just summons a second one every so often... he just lets us keep using daggers...

thb that wouldnt even suprise me. DRKs shadow more powerful then our shadowclone ability by MILES

just went in and tested out bunshin a few times. Each ability deals around 3800-5000 for around 6-7 abilities. So a total of ROUGHLY 30k damage.
Dark Knights Shadow out of his 24 second existance (summoning, appearing alone takes already 5 seconds of not doing shit and after doing his last skill he just stands around doing nothing for the remaining 2 seconds so out of 24 seconds you can cut already 7 seconds of him doing nothing which is...sad enough) he uses 7 attacks at a fixed order in the interval of his, well, 17 seconds.
The clone of DRK deals constant 7200 damage without a crit (at itemlevel 421 which is lower then my 443 nin) at 7 times this already exceeds what NINs bunshin does easily to 5000k.
By raw damage of both without counting any crit the dark knight clone deals a LOT more then bunshin even if you cound the extra ninki for another bhavaakra which is another 17k.

Bunshin no crit of my 443 NIN > roughly 30k + 1 free Bhavaakra 15k > 45k
Dark Knight no crit 421 > minimum 50k for its duration
at a 22 itemlevel difference, this is sad

[armandojc3]

SAM may not be in a bad spot, but it's not in a good spot either. Both far eastern jobs (and to some extent BRD) need some serious love. The only thing SAM and BRD can say is to their benefit: at least they're not NIN.

*cries in nin

[TaiyouSeishin]

thb that wouldnt even suprise me. DRKs shadow more powerful then our shadowclone ability by MILES

just went in and tested out bunshin a few times. Each ability deals around 3800-5000 for around 6-7 abilities. So a total of ROUGHLY 30k damage.
Dark Knights Shadow out of his 24 second existance (summoning, appearing alone takes already 5 seconds of not doing shit and after doing his last skill he just stands around doing nothing for the remaining 2 seconds so out of 24 seconds you can cut already 7 seconds of him doing nothing which is...sad enough) he uses 7 attacks at a fixed order in the interval of his, well, 17 seconds.
The clone of DRK deals constant 7200 damage without a crit (at itemlevel 421 which is lower then my 443 nin) at 7 times this already exceeds what NINs bunshin does easily to 5000k.
By raw damage of both without counting any crit the dark knight clone deals a LOT more then bunshin even if you cound the extra ninki for another bhavaakra which is another 17k.

Bunshin no crit of my 443 NIN > roughly 30k + 1 free Bhavaakra 15k > 45k
Dark Knight no crit 421 > minimum 50k for its duration
at a 22 itemlevel difference, this is sad

So... what this tells me... is DRK saw how this expansion was gonna turn out, so gave us a portion of their Shadow to use.... i see i see..

[Vendalwind]

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Interesting maths. They really did ruin our ultimate tho. I mean i onow you cant truly compare 1 ability to 1 ability, but our lvl 80 ability is pretty shabby. Especially when compared to something like BLM lvl 80.

Our bunshin is locked behing a guage and a 110 second cooldown. ~7 hits of ~133 potency. Bonus of 931 potency per ~120 seconds then. + we give up a bhava cast to use it so its effectively only a 431 gain.

Xenoglossy is 750 potency but is on tje gcd. So its 450 over the next best standard gcd fire 4. I dont know if its effected by astral fire BUT regardless its a 1800 potency gain over 120 seconds.

SAM shoha is also kinda lame. I dont know how meditation works, but if they can get 1 cast in per 120 seconds its stronger than bunshin.

Mnk six sided is 400 kinda but with added benefits so hard to compare.

DrG 550 way beats out bunshin or sam. Especialy if you assume it can be cast every 30second recast

BrD apex arrow is also a guaranteed bigger increase but is a bit more complex to calculate as well.

Mch Automaton queen is a godly potency gain.

Smn is harder to calculate so i dont know how its capstone compares

Scorch for rdm is a solid gain.

Dnc improv is exceptionally lame, but flourish and sabre dnc kinda make up for it.

Point being i havent mathed it all out but: I would easily argue that nins 70 to 80 journey yield the least potency gains of ajy class, especially since every gain comes at the cost of some other skill or resource that was already being used.

[Zytoryu]

Interesting maths. They really did ruin our ultimate tho. I mean i onow you cant truly compare 1 ability to 1 ability, but our lvl 80 ability is pretty shabby. Especially when compared to something like BLM lvl 80.

Our bunshin is locked behing a guage and a 110 second cooldown. ~7 hits of ~133 potency. Bonus of 931 potency per ~120 seconds then. + we give up a bhava cast to use it so its effectively only a 431 gain.

Xenoglossy is 750 potency but is on tje gcd. So its 450 over the next best standard gcd fire 4. I dont know if its effected by astral fire BUT regardless its a 1800 potency gain over 120 seconds.

SAM shoha is also kinda lame. I dont know how meditation works, but if they can get 1 cast in per 120 seconds its stronger than bunshin.

Mnk six sided is 400 kinda but with added benefits so hard to compare.

DrG 550 way beats out bunshin or sam. Especialy if you assume it can be cast every 30second recast

BrD apex arrow is also a guaranteed bigger increase but is a bit more complex to calculate as well.

Mch Automaton queen is a godly potency gain.

Smn is harder to calculate so i dont know how its capstone compares

Scorch for rdm is a solid gain.

Dnc improv is exceptionally lame, but flourish and sabre dnc kinda make up for it.

Point being i havent mathed it all out but: I would easily argue that nins 70 to 80 journey yield the least potency gains of ajy class, especially since every gain comes at the cost of some other skill or resource that was already being used.

Just to clarify on SAM's Shoha skill, you can only use it after meditation, which is a channel skill similar to flamethrower and Anatman. it doesn't do much for damage but considering how well designed SAM is in comparison to NIN. its kinda passable they get a mediocre level 80 capstone ability. Six Sided Star has very few applications from what i know. and Star Diver is just free damage in Life window on DRG.