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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    FFlogs is not against ToS, only real-time parsers that intercept network data are. FFlogs is simply a website to which information may be posted and is outside the purview of the ToS.
    Strictly speaking, yes, FFLogs is against the TOS.

    Which is why, in game, if you talk about data from FFLogs you can be banned.

    FFLogs is a 3rd party app which interprets data from FFXIV and is a violation of the ToS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Strictly speaking, yes, FFLogs is against the TOS.

    Which is why, in game, if you talk about data from FFLogs you can be banned.

    FFLogs is a 3rd party app which interprets data from FFXIV and is a violation of the ToS.
    That something is against ToS does not mean that all information allowed for by the illegal activity are also against ToS. Nor does FFXIV have exclusive rights over information presented in its game sessions; else screenshots would also be against ToS if they so much as showed an activity against ToS, whether you were part of the guilty party or not.

    I can't run someone over; I may, however, be required to read about vehicular trauma for HBS or forensics classes.

    Talking about FFlogs will not get you banned. Talking about your actively parsing, be it to send to FFlogs or for any other reason, can.

    Edit: And let's be clear. FFlogs is not a 3rd party app. It is "third-party", sure, but it is not an app; it cannot be executed on its own. It is a website, first and foremost, and the same name is used for a plugin for ACT which conveniences uploading to that website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Strictly speaking, yes, FFLogs is against the TOS.

    Which is why, in game, if you talk about data from FFLogs you can be banned.

    FFLogs is a 3rd party app which interprets data from FFXIV and is a violation of the ToS.
    Then report everyone. Then we'll see who's right and who's wrong. Report everyone referencing FFLogs. If you don't, you're an accomplice.

    You don't support 3rd party programs and the cheaters that do, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Then report everyone. Then we'll see who's right and who's wrong. Report everyone referencing FFLogs. If you don't, you're an accomplice.

    You don't support 3rd party programs and the cheaters that do, do you?
    Mention FFLogs and that you're parsing someone's DPS in game and I *will* report it. Very quickly in fact. That's been explicitly against the ToS forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Mention FFLogs and that you're parsing someone's DPS in game and I *will* report it. Very quickly in fact. That's been explicitly against the ToS forever.
    See this right here is why I never mention FFLogs, and just kick people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    See this right here is why I never mention FFLogs, and just kick people.
    I'm so happy that FFXIV doesn't allow parses to be used in game. Was a part of a dungeon run in WoW a few days ago where we were burning through the dungeon, but the tank would list everybody's individual damage after every boss. Then they demanded we kick one of the DPS who was doing little damage (because they were trying to figure something out with one of the skills). I mean, we had zero trouble, we could have just kept going, but because the numbers demanded it the group kicked the DPS otherwise the tank was going to walk.

    It's just stupid. There are so many nuances that numbers don't account for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylessa View Post
    I'm so happy that FFXIV doesn't allow parses to be used in game. Was a part of a dungeon run in WoW a few days ago where we were burning through the dungeon, but the tank would list everybody's individual damage after every boss. Then they demanded we kick one of the DPS who was doing little damage (because they were trying to figure something out with one of the skills). I mean, we had zero trouble, we could have just kept going, but because the numbers demanded it the group kicked the DPS otherwise the tank was going to walk.

    It's just stupid. There are so many nuances that numbers don't account for.
    You were lucky you made it to the boss.
    I was a tank, have been kicked for typing and asking for mechanics before first boss. xDD

    WoW is super toxic and unpleasant game to play, and community has a big part of a cake in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    You were lucky you made it to the boss.
    I was a tank, have been kicked for typing and asking for mechanics before first boss. xDD

    WoW is super toxic and unpleasant game to play, and community has a big part of a cake in it.
    I've seen many a FF-XIV tank drop group the moment they saw s/o type "first time" in a dungeon, which then lead to aborted runs because no replacement showed up.
    Morons exist in every game.

    Your point?
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