Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Granyala]

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for you, to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

Maybe it was unique to the Shadow Priest community but I always valued it.

Sure, ingame you have a few asshats and the usual "Needs item level of the bossdrop + 10 to enter" nonsense PuGs but these types exist in every game, parser or not.

Also I'd love to move on from the whole Demetri thing. Look, the guy made a dumb post and got called out for it. Case closed.
I'm far more interested in the discussion about why it is considered bad to assess another players performance in a team driven multiplayer game.

I honestly don't get it.

[Xia_Thas]

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for your to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

Maybe it was unique to the Shadow Priest community but I always valued it.

Sure, ingame you have a few asshats and the usual "Needs item level of the boss drop + 10 to enter" nonsense PuGs but these types exist in every game, parser or not.

Also I'd love to move on from the whole Demetri thing. Look, the guy made a dumb post and got called out for it. Case closed.
I'm far more interested in the discussion about why it is considered bad to assess another players performance in a team driven multiplayer game.

Most WoW Content Creators are trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and positivity compared to the rest of the WoW community in game and the forums. Look no further than the joke Talisen makes every time news comes out and how the Forums were exploding with positive vibes and everyone was giving valuable feed back and no it was a s*** show, obviously.

[Avidria]

Except.
This is a game, where consumers are playing it and not staff.
SE decided to not go a way of turning away players because they cannot play it effectively enough to please hot heads, and they have a really good reason for doing so.

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

WoW was ruined by Blizzard's questionable to poor decisions and prioritization of profit over and at the expense of creating a quality product. The community isn't anything spectacular, but it's not half the cesspool people seem to like making it out to be either.

Even without parsers, people in this game can and will kick you from a group for bad performance. A lot of times you don't even need a parser to see that somebody's doing it wrong, and if they're doing it wrong enough than the group could very easily justify removing the underperformer. This game is very forgiving outside of the highest end content, and that's great, but an expectation of higher level play is completely reasonable for higher level content.

Anyway, this thread is a mess and a half at this point lmao. Later y'all.

[Granyala]

Most WoW Content Creators are trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and positivity compared to the rest of the WoW community in game and the forums. Look no further than the joke Talisen makes every time news comes out and how the Forums were exploding with positive vibes and everyone was giving valuable feed back and no it was a s*** show, obviously.

Well I have been out of the loop for nearly 4 years now.
Maybe it all changed for the worse.

As far as I remember, there was only one thing that was universally despised: people that blindly go into raid encounters.
WoWs community always expected you to be informed, even on your first run.

Sth I actually enjoy not having to do in FF-XIV (savage excluded for obvious reasons).

I really failed to see where all these big bad "toxic" people are tbh.
I'm not saying that the communities are perfect, some even wished me to get cancer a couple of times, but couldn't care less about what someone told me online.

Well, to be fair: that is about as toxic (hate that word but it is applicable here) as it gets.
I always had a 0 tolerance policy when it comes to insulting other players.

Bottom line: this is a game we play with actual humans and we all are trying to have fun. At least be polite and considerate.

[Saintly]

Except.
This is a game, where consumers are playing it and not staff.
SE decided to not go a way of turning away players because they cannot play it effectively enough to please hot heads, and they have a really good reason for doing so.

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

I tried most of the games games that people think they got a "toxic" community.
LoL,DoTA,OW,ESO,L2,CS:GO and ofc WoW among others.

The only times i used the report systems was for int feeders in MoBA & spam bots.
I really failed to see where all these big bad "toxic" people are tbh.
I'm not saying that the communities are perfect, some even wished me to get cancer a couple of times, but couldn't care less about what someone told me online.

So i'm here wondering, are truly the communities the problem or the people who are offended by literally anything these days?
Personally i cant even remember the word "toxic" being used before LoL became popular.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

@Demetri_Delethorn absolutely no interest in getting into the middle of this discussion lol, except I really have to say, I absolutely LOVE your glamour. That outfit is so, so great. c:

Hey, I hope you see this: I really, really appreciate that! I recently changed to an Au Ra and was worried I wouldn't be able to create anything that stands out a bit from the crowd, but hearing that really makes me happy to know that at least ONE person besides me thinks it looks okay!

[Granyala]

Hey, I hope you see this: I really, really appreciate that! I recently changed to an Au Ra and was worried I wouldn't be able to create anything that stands out a bit from the crowd, but hearing that really makes me happy to know that at least ONE person besides me thinks it looks okay!

Yup, looks great!

skin tone warrants another Fantasia (after 50 of them trying to get it right; the lighting in the character creator can be so deceiving).

Damn, that's what I call dedicated.
You are right though: creation lighting options are rather harsh and not very indicative of the final result.
I know of a few friends that struggled too.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

Yup, looks great!

Well, at least one decent thing came from the thread. I can stop obsessing over whether or not the clothes match or if my skin tone warrants another Fantasia (after 50 of them trying to get it right; the lighting in the character creator can be so deceiving).

[Demetri_Delethorn]

You know, the real bad people here are those who were taking a dump on PS4 players and spreading misinformation. "Hurr the game barely runs, durr 20fps, 4k means I can play better"

One of this game's greatest feats is how incredible the game works on both platforms so seamlessly together. That should be appreciated rather than knocking one platform down a peg. PS4 gamers can outplay PC just as PC can outplay PS4. Platform will never be a substitute for player skill. There were a few folks in that last thread that do not understand this. Only one or two of them made their way into this thread, though. They must have found something else to waste their time on, eh?

Props to SE to pulling this off for 6 years so far: an incredible game available seamlessly on two platforms! We can all unite under that flag, folks.

[Granyala]

You know, the real bad people here are those who were taking a dump on PS4 players and spreading misinformation. "Hurr the game barely runs, durr 20fps, 4k means I can play better"

One of this game's greatest feats is how incredible the game works on both platforms so seamlessly together. That should be appreciated rather than knocking one platform down a peg. PS4 gamers can outplay PC just as PC can outplay PS4. Platform will never be a substitute for player skill.

Completely agreed.

Also I call BS on the claim that FPS beyond 60 make much of a difference considering the internet latency and most importantly SE's crappy netcode latency are several orders of magnitude higher than frame latency of the screen. I've played WoW with some pretty crappy FPS. And by crappy I mean REALLY CRAPPY like 5 FPS and lower.
I still managed to give a decent performance and kill the boss (though it certainly wasn't fun). PS4 is nowhere near that bad.