Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Granyala]

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for you, to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

Maybe it was unique to the Shadow Priest community but I always valued it.

Sure, ingame you have a few asshats and the usual "Needs item level of the bossdrop + 10 to enter" nonsense PuGs but these types exist in every game, parser or not.

Also I'd love to move on from the whole Demetri thing. Look, the guy made a dumb post and got called out for it. Case closed.
I'm far more interested in the discussion about why it is considered bad to assess another players performance in a team driven multiplayer game.

I honestly don't get it.

[Xia_Thas]

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for your to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

Maybe it was unique to the Shadow Priest community but I always valued it.

Sure, ingame you have a few asshats and the usual "Needs item level of the boss drop + 10 to enter" nonsense PuGs but these types exist in every game, parser or not.

Also I'd love to move on from the whole Demetri thing. Look, the guy made a dumb post and got called out for it. Case closed.
I'm far more interested in the discussion about why it is considered bad to assess another players performance in a team driven multiplayer game.

Most WoW Content Creators are trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and positivity compared to the rest of the WoW community in game and the forums. Look no further than the joke Talisen makes every time news comes out and how the Forums were exploding with positive vibes and everyone was giving valuable feed back and no it was a s*** show, obviously.

[Granyala]

Most WoW Content Creators are trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and positivity compared to the rest of the WoW community in game and the forums. Look no further than the joke Talisen makes every time news comes out and how the Forums were exploding with positive vibes and everyone was giving valuable feed back and no it was a s*** show, obviously.

Well I have been out of the loop for nearly 4 years now.
Maybe it all changed for the worse.

As far as I remember, there was only one thing that was universally despised: people that blindly go into raid encounters.
WoWs community always expected you to be informed, even on your first run.

Sth I actually enjoy not having to do in FF-XIV (savage excluded for obvious reasons).

I really failed to see where all these big bad "toxic" people are tbh.
I'm not saying that the communities are perfect, some even wished me to get cancer a couple of times, but couldn't care less about what someone told me online.

Well, to be fair: that is about as toxic (hate that word but it is applicable here) as it gets.
I always had a 0 tolerance policy when it comes to insulting other players.

Bottom line: this is a game we play with actual humans and we all are trying to have fun. At least be polite and considerate.

[Nedkel]

I'm far more interested in the discussion about why it is considered bad to assess another players performance in a team driven multiplayer game.

I honestly don't get it.

Because games are played by the under age (and not only under age) kids that could and will use it against other people to harrass them over their poor performance, like it does happen in WoW.
This is one of the reasons, the other one is SE made this game casual friendly.

WoW was ruined by Blizzard's questionable to poor decisions and prioritization of profit over and at the expense of creating a quality product. The community isn't anything spectacular, but it's not half the cesspool people seem to like making it out to be either.

Even without parsers, people in this game can and will kick you from a group for bad performance. A lot of times you don't even need a parser to see that somebody's doing it wrong, and if they're doing it wrong enough than the group could very easily justify removing the underperformer. This game is very forgiving outside of the highest end content, and that's great, but an expectation of higher level play is completely reasonable for higher level content.

Anyway, this thread is a mess and a half at this point lmao. Later y'all.

I am not the WoW historian, i could tell what my experiences were with WoW, because i never had a chance to play it due to the fact of where i came from. One thing i could say is that, it was bloody awful, the percent of players using parsers in that game is really high comparing to other games, and the moment someone finds out you are bad in the logs, its the moment where you are being kicked from dungeon.
You wont see new players going to play WoW, not people returning to it after being discouraged by toxicity.
It takes few bad apples to destroy a whole batch, and those bad apples are driving away people from the game, more and more, playerbase going downhill because there is no influx of new people playing the game.
Bad decision making from blizzard is one part why that game is in bad shape, but community is not without fault, they were being listen to by blizzard employees more than we do here.

[Qeilos]

Because games are played by the under age (and not only under age) kids that could and will use it against other people to harrass them over their poor performance, like it does happen in WoW.
This is one of the reasons, the other one is SE made this game casual friendly.



I am not the WoW historian, i could tell what my experiences were with WoW, because i never had a chance to play it due to the fact of where i came from. One thing i could say is that, it was bloody awful, the percent of players using parsers in that game is really high comparing to other games, and the moment someone finds out you are bad in the logs, its the moment where you are being kicked from dungeon.
You wont see new players going to play WoW, not people returning to it after being discouraged by toxicity.
It takes few bad apples to destroy a whole batch, and those bad apples are driving away people from the game, more and more, playerbase going downhill because there is no influx of new people playing the game.
Bad decision making from blizzard is one part why that game is in bad shape, but community is not without fault, they were being listen to by blizzard employees more than we do here.

Blizzard is turning the entire facet of endgame into esports.

Raiding, M+ and PvP all have esport style coverage in one form or another now, and when you start designing things around high powered competition the community starts treating it as such and if you dont play high octane then begone. Thats basically where its at for those things now unless you have guilds or friends.

[HWalsh]

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for you, to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

There is more to a community than optimization guides, people telling you to get gud, or parser help.

Don't you get that?

That's not what an MMORPG is about.

That's the exact kind of thinking that has ruined the genre.