Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Qeilos]

Because games are played by the under age (and not only under age) kids that could and will use it against other people to harrass them over their poor performance, like it does happen in WoW.
This is one of the reasons, the other one is SE made this game casual friendly.



I am not the WoW historian, i could tell what my experiences were with WoW, because i never had a chance to play it due to the fact of where i came from. One thing i could say is that, it was bloody awful, the percent of players using parsers in that game is really high comparing to other games, and the moment someone finds out you are bad in the logs, its the moment where you are being kicked from dungeon.
You wont see new players going to play WoW, not people returning to it after being discouraged by toxicity.
It takes few bad apples to destroy a whole batch, and those bad apples are driving away people from the game, more and more, playerbase going downhill because there is no influx of new people playing the game.
Bad decision making from blizzard is one part why that game is in bad shape, but community is not without fault, they were being listen to by blizzard employees more than we do here.

Blizzard is turning the entire facet of endgame into esports.

Raiding, M+ and PvP all have esport style coverage in one form or another now, and when you start designing things around high powered competition the community starts treating it as such and if you dont play high octane then begone. Thats basically where its at for those things now unless you have guilds or friends.

[HWalsh]

Weird.
I always thought that WoW had a great community. Lots of theorycrafting resources, detailed BiS lists, plenty of dedicated people writing excellent guides (classes as well as bosses). Lots of forums where helpful players will answer questions and even check your parses for you, to help pinpoint issues you might overlook.

There is more to a community than optimization guides, people telling you to get gud, or parser help.

Don't you get that?

That's not what an MMORPG is about.

That's the exact kind of thinking that has ruined the genre.

[Saintly]

Except.
This is a game, where consumers are playing it and not staff.
SE decided to not go a way of turning away players because they cannot play it effectively enough to please hot heads, and they have a really good reason for doing so.

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

I tried most of the games games that people think they got a "toxic" community.
LoL,DoTA,OW,ESO,L2,CS:GO and ofc WoW among others.

The only times i used the report systems was for int feeders in MoBA & spam bots.
I really failed to see where all these big bad "toxic" people are tbh.
I'm not saying that the communities are perfect, some even wished me to get cancer a couple of times, but couldn't care less about what someone told me online.

So i'm here wondering, are truly the communities the problem or the people who are offended by literally anything these days?
Personally i cant even remember the word "toxic" being used before LoL became popular.

[Caitsithhh]

To put it as simplistically as possible, Yoshi-P and his team staunchly believe that this community will use parser data in a negative way against other players.
Right here in this thread, a group of players used parser data in a negative way against another player.

That\\\\'s the kind of community that Yoshi-P doesn\\\\'t trust to have official parsers.

You’re completely uninformed. It’s not over the signature, that’s just the cherry on top... he claimed he was better than 99% of the pc players on a ps4 vs pc forum. He dragged it here by just tossing out that he reports anyone using one. I informed them why he does this. Hard data should ALWAYS be used to back up claims. Always! Also the community doesn’t shame in game but they are sure to on public forums by people who are toxic at the getgo. He was toxic, he was outed, and I stand by all the hard data presented. Nobody ever goes out of their way just to shame a silly signature. Everyone goes out of their way when someone claims to be better than a large portion of the community and not even in a sly way...just outright “I’m better than 99%”. There’s a solid lesson to be taken from this and I’m glad we have the tools to do so. Without these tools it would be bad for the community. There’d be a much slower/smaller raiding scene. Statics would be so unstable. People wouldn’t have the data to improve in the top end. Competitive nature keeps A LOT engaged longer in this game than say the more casual content. Nothing easy feels great to achieve. Most of this is remedied by a single tool, one single tool. Accountability is afforded by this same tool. Without it I do not think the game would last nearly as long. These tools provided goals that aren’t tangible in game but are nonetheless more engaging than most the rewards in the game. Casuals don’t have to like it and don’t have to use it. By those means it’s a bit easier to separate skill levels and link up people of similar skill without telling them to hit a dummy for three minutes and rely on that. Act doesn’t just record dps as I stated. And if you think it’s only used for that then you’re completely uninformed and against something you don’t even understand. There is a word for a group of people like that in this day and age, and it’s not anything nice or defended. Yet you defend your uninformed point of views without even understanding what you’re upset by. It’s 2019...nothing is allowed to be hidden anymore lol

[Sylve]

You’re completely uninformed.

Holy crap dude, line breaks. My eyes are friggen bleeding trying to follow that.

I'm not going to go back through all the vitriol in this thread to find it, But I was referencing a post that called out his signature in which he refers to himself as a top tier healer.

And since the entire hatewagon got started based on his claims of supposedly being better than everyone else, That's the point I drove home. Did the entire thing get started specifically cos someone saw his sig? Probs not. Point is, you claim he said something. You and yours then exploded at him with parse data in order to publicly "oust" his claim.

Know what would have been the mature way to deal with such an individual? Invite them into a run. Have them prove themselves to you, in person that he is indeed as good as he claims.
But no, They went after his parse data and judged him entirely based on that.

What was it that Yoshi-P was against? Oh right. Judging people based on parse data.
Fun fact, he is actually well within his rights under the ToS to report anyone admitting to using a parser. ACT is not legal under the ToS we all signed. It'll then be up to a GM to decide whether or not to action the report or discard it into the 'grey area' Yoshi-P refers to.


You and yours clearly do not understand that you are doing everything Yoshi-P fears the community will do if parsing became official. No matter the reasoning, instead of having him prove in person with you his claims, you did exactly what Yoshi doesn't want to happen.
And thus this thread and the pro-parser people within it have doomed their own efforts because their egos got pricked when a random poster on a forum claimed they were better than them.


Good job, such maturity on display.
PS: I support parsing. Which you would know if you bothered to check all my previous posts in this thread. Parsing itself not a problem. Its what the people do with that information that keeps it from ever being official.

[Typhoria]

People getting emotional in here for no reason. Titania can be killed with a group of nothing but grey (<25 percentile) + green(25-49 percentile) parsers. Titania + Adds have approximately 34 million health combined. Over 11 minutes, an average of 51,515 group DPS is required to beat it, which is a little less than 6500 DPS per person.

The reasoning against parsers because of toxicity is flawed. Just looking at how people are playing is enough to have an estimate on player performance. For example, it's easy to tell if a tank uses cooldowns, if dps are AoEing or just plainly not even pressing buttons. An asshole is going to be toxic regardless of if they have hard evidence to back it up or not.

Different groups have different goals, and other than being civil, you don't have an obligation to the group and the group doesn't have an obligation to you. If someone is harassing you, report them and leave the group.

[AxlStream]

You know if you have a grey, you still killed. Probably barely by the skin of your teeth but you cleared. The player in question boasts about being better than 99% of PC players while not even having all achievements for even clearing.

[Avidria]

Except.
This is a game, where consumers are playing it and not staff.
SE decided to not go a way of turning away players because they cannot play it effectively enough to please hot heads, and they have a really good reason for doing so.

Just look at WoW and how terribly toxic it is for anyone new into the game, i know only few games completely ruined by the community and world of warcraft is one of them.

WoW was ruined by Blizzard's questionable to poor decisions and prioritization of profit over and at the expense of creating a quality product. The community isn't anything spectacular, but it's not half the cesspool people seem to like making it out to be either.

Even without parsers, people in this game can and will kick you from a group for bad performance. A lot of times you don't even need a parser to see that somebody's doing it wrong, and if they're doing it wrong enough than the group could very easily justify removing the underperformer. This game is very forgiving outside of the highest end content, and that's great, but an expectation of higher level play is completely reasonable for higher level content.

Anyway, this thread is a mess and a half at this point lmao. Later y'all.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

You know, the real bad people here are those who were taking a dump on PS4 players and spreading misinformation. "Hurr the game barely runs, durr 20fps, 4k means I can play better"

One of this game's greatest feats is how incredible the game works on both platforms so seamlessly together. That should be appreciated rather than knocking one platform down a peg. PS4 gamers can outplay PC just as PC can outplay PS4. Platform will never be a substitute for player skill. There were a few folks in that last thread that do not understand this. Only one or two of them made their way into this thread, though. They must have found something else to waste their time on, eh?

Props to SE to pulling this off for 6 years so far: an incredible game available seamlessly on two platforms! We can all unite under that flag, folks.

[Granyala]

You know, the real bad people here are those who were taking a dump on PS4 players and spreading misinformation. "Hurr the game barely runs, durr 20fps, 4k means I can play better"

One of this game's greatest feats is how incredible the game works on both platforms so seamlessly together. That should be appreciated rather than knocking one platform down a peg. PS4 gamers can outplay PC just as PC can outplay PS4. Platform will never be a substitute for player skill.

Completely agreed.

Also I call BS on the claim that FPS beyond 60 make much of a difference considering the internet latency and most importantly SE's crappy netcode latency are several orders of magnitude higher than frame latency of the screen. I've played WoW with some pretty crappy FPS. And by crappy I mean REALLY CRAPPY like 5 FPS and lower.
I still managed to give a decent performance and kill the boss (though it certainly wasn't fun). PS4 is nowhere near that bad.