Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Taramin]

The big issue is the fact that all this is over her comments in a different thread. That your crusade dragged into this thread -about parsing- of all threads, to attack her outlandish claim in the other thread, call her trash and a liar over multiple pages, multiple posts, using -PARSES- as the evidence.

IDK about her opinion, I can see without going to FFlogs that's she's not great, just by her admission via post history of not caring about/doing healer dps.

Her being wrong isn't the issue, it's the lot of you coming into this thread and doing the VERY THING Yoshi doesn't want people to do with parsers.

This thread is now damning evidence against the case for legal parsing.

And yes, name calling, and multi-page forum-wide witchhunts are "Harassment". Maybe not in your mind, but it is in SE's forum ToS.

[Avidria]

The big issue is the fact that all this is over her comments in a different thread. That your crusade dragged into this thread -about parsing- of all threads, to attack her outlandish claim in the other thread, call her trash and a liar over multiple pages, multiple posts, using -PARSES- as the evidence.

IDK about her opinion, I can see without going to FFlogs that's she's not great, just by her admission via post history of not caring about/doing healer dps.

Her being wrong isn't the issue, it's the lot of you coming into this thread and doing the VERY THING Yoshi doesn't want people to do with parsers.

This thread is now damning evidence against the case for legal parsing.

And yes, name calling, and multi-page forum-wide witchhunts are "Harassment". Maybe not in your mind, but it is in SE's forum ToS.

My problem with this is that a handful of people using parsers as evidence should not be a case against the parsers themselves. You don't necessarily need a parser to tell when someone's doing something wrong, and you definitely don't if they're doing something very wrong. I've seen plenty of players who thought they were good when they were actually average at best and godawful at worst - both in this game with no parser, and in several other MMOs I've played.

Parsers are a tool. One that can be extremely useful when used correctly. I won't deny it can be used as a tool to harass, but in most cases that kind of bad behavior likely would've been present anyway. People who are inclined to be rude are always going to be rude - all the numbers can do is prove them right, or sometimes even prove them wrong. Had more than a few times in WoW where someone tried to complain at me or a group member, only to have a parser linked to show them that the person they were whining about was more than pulling their weight. Good way to get those types to quiet down fast.

What happened in this thread was a silly debate that went too far, but that's no fault of any parser.

[Taramin]

My problem with this is that a handful of people using parsers as evidence should not be a case against the parsers themselves. You don't necessarily need a parser to tell when someone's doing something wrong, and you definitely don't if they're doing something very wrong. I've seen plenty of players who thought they were good when they were actually average at best and godawful at worst - both in this game with no parser, and in several other MMOs I've played.

Parsers are a tool. One that can be extremely useful when used correctly. I won't deny it can be used as a tool to harass, but in most cases that kind of bad behavior likely would've been present anyway. People who are inclined to be rude are always going to be rude - all the numbers can do is prove them right, or sometimes even prove them wrong. Had more than a few times in WoW where someone tried to complain at me or a group member, only to have a parser linked to show them that the person they were whining about was more than pulling their weight. Good way to get those types to quiet down fast.

What happened in this thread was a silly debate that went too far, but that's no fault of any parser.

I know, but they aren't doing anyone any favors. I'd LOVE to have a sanctioned parser. I used it in WoW this expac when I dabbled in raiding above LFR for the first time since Cata. I went from trash to decent almost overnight.

If we could get say, a parser that only is available in pre-made high level duty parties, and some AoE markers added to the Stone Sky Sea dummies, we'd have some really great tools for personal improvement. Right now we have a third party website where people can give you grief for your performance in that one Rabanastre you got roulette'd into at 3 AM while you had a head cold in vendor gear 2 years ago.
I don't hate FFlogs, I hate what people are doing with it.

[Avidria]

I know, but they aren't doing anyone any favors. I'd LOVE to have a sanctioned parser. I used it in WoW this expac when I dabbled in raiding above LFR for the first time since Cata. I went from trash to decent almost overnight.

If we could get say, a parser that only is available in pre-made high level duty parties, and some AoE markers added to the Stone Sky Sea dummies, we'd have some really great tools for personal improvement. Right now we have a third party website where people can give you grief for your performance in that one Rabanastre you got roulette'd into at 3 AM while you had a head cold in vendor gear 2 years ago.
I don't hate FFlogs, I hate what people are doing with it.

Anyone giving you grief for one bad parse that isn't worth listening to anyway. Nothing but a silly waste of time at that point. What are they trying to prove, and to who? Honestly. Either way, immature people using the tool the wrong way shouldn't be a reason to write the tool off entirely.

Frankly, I'd take anything at this point. I used dps meters for more than a decade in WoW, and it was a huge help in tracking my progress and improvement. I absolutely hate not knowing how well I'm doing quantitatively - I hate hate HATE not knowing if it's me that's holding the group back, if it's me that's the reason we didn't make that DPS check. Yeah, that's a me problem, but it's a frustrating one that I've only really had to deal with here. Most other MMOs I've played, I've mained a healer or stayed out of actual endgame and it wasn't a problem. Here I'm stuck trying and hoping or relying on somebody else, because heck if I'm taking the risk of getting banned because I care about how well I'm doing. Hearing they don't care as long as you don't talk about it in game isn't enough for me to chance it frankly.

Give me a way to measure how well I'm doing. An actual, good way to measure it. That's all I want.