Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

CONGRATULATIONS to Entropy for the world first

So 14 hours after the raid released... lol. I'm sad. Grats to them but, I'm sad the raid was that easy that world firsts could clear it that fast.

If you read enough of the post's here in this thread from those pushing for 'endgame raiding' this is exactly what they want. They have said that endgame raiding without exclusive gear with better stats is pointless... yes they want endgame raids, but they want it to have gear that's better than non-raid gear.

So say they get what they want... what happens when they clear the new endgame raids and have the new BiS gear? They ask for more raids that are harder, that require the prior raids BiS gear to complete, etc.

If all they were interested in was 'hard' raids, trials, etc... then they have plenty of options - the Ultimate's, doing raids & trials synched @ min ilvl, etc. But they've said enough times this isn't what they want... they want SE to work on raids that are 'current', that are set at the end of the 'current content'... and they most def want it to bring in gear-gating, as they specifically have said time and again they want the raids to have better gear as otherwise not really worth doing.

I also find it amusing how they constantly try and claim that FFXIV was 'their game' that 'casuals' ruined. Funny thing is XIV has never been an end-game raiding game. While some of it's content was harder at launch than it is now, it was never about the endgame raids... but the story to get there. Unlike games like WoW where the "story" ended in the games raids... XIV's raids were side-story, had important lore but not needed to complete for the story.

What they could say is that companies like Blizzard ruined their 'genre' since they saw that they could make lots of money by making an MMO that was accessible to everyone. Thus WoW came into being - an MMO that was accessible to casuals, that ppl could solo most of the content... sure it had endgame raids, and focused a lot of it's marketing & dev time on the raids... but fact is unlike prior MMO's like Everquest, UO, etc people could play solo and do the vast majority of the content solo. About the only thing that couldn't be solo'ed was dungeons, raids, world bosses and some area's/events in the open world. There's a specific reason hunter's were the most played class in WoW for the longest time - it was the easiest class to solo content with.

Prior to WoW, the MMO's that were around were a lot harder, more focused on grouping, etc. Games like Everquest were extremely hard to solo, had group-only fights/area's/mobs to fight, had timed group-only raid mobs, etc. There were also other MMO's like UO that were hard to solo due to open-world PvP design rather than hard-to-fight ai enemies... which meant playing in groups to stop being ganked by other groups of players.

And then came WoW, which made MMO's popular due to being able to be solo'ed. And so came the flood of "WoW clones" and the "casulazation' of the MMO genre... as dev's turned away from hard content that only a small % of ppl had any interest in, and moved instead to 'easy' content that the masses liked and would pay for., There's a reason that the big MMO's (whether due to financial success, or being 'known' and still earning enough to be online) that are still around are heavy story focused MMO's, that focus a lot on being able to be played solo, with just a touch of non-required hard-content -> MMO's such as ESO, FFXIV, SW:TOR, GW2, etc.

Agreed, while WoW was a breath of life for casuals, it was the death knell of this genre of me. Now what I play are to me, shells of former MMO glory.

[Lunafreya]

So 14 hours after the raid released... lol. I'm sad. Grats to them but, I'm sad the raid was that easy that world firsts could clear it that fast.



Agreed, while WoW was a breath of life for casuals, it was the death knell of this genre of me. Now what I play are to me, shells of former MMO glory.

Hey man if it was that easy why haven't you cleared it yet? Just because top 3% of players clear it first week doesn't mean it is easy. I'm sure right now you would be struggling endlessly to even down the first three turns. It is even harder for players that have to manage real life time. Better yet... if you claim these are easy then have you cleared Ultimate coil or Ultima weapon? Point is stop spouting your nonsense that it was easy when in fact it is not.

[Zabuza]

Hey man if it was that easy why haven't you cleared it yet? Just because top 3% of players clear it first week doesn't mean it is easy. I'm sure right now you would be struggling endlessly to even down the first three turns. It is even harder for players that have to manage real life time. Better yet... if you claim these are easy then have you cleared Ultimate coil or Ultima weapon? Point is stop spouting your nonsense that it was easy when in fact it is not.

I have cleared turn 1 after a few hours last night, with pugs. I will definitely have cleared at least turn 2 by the end of this week, if not also 3. Also, I might as well just quote myself on this, since I guess you didn't read it.

Do you not understand my point that the amount of time it takes the worlds best to clear these things is an indicator of how long it will take everyone else? If your typical savage raider takes 10 times longer to clear than a world's best, it will take them 10 hours for this. If it took world's best raiders 5 hours to clear tiers 1 and 2, it would take a typical savage raider 50 hours to do the same. Of course there are slight variances, and I don't know the exact ratio, but my point is the correlation itself. World's best or not, the speed at which they cleared it does not speak well to the longevity where it will concern typical raiders.