Prepared to answer the call? (Long)

[Jynx]

Having a sense of entitlement just because we are paying for the game is the wrong way to go about it. I post so SE hears my ideas and those who agree with me. I don't post because I think I know best for the game, I just know what I would enjoy.

The only thing SE "Owes" us is to try the best they can to bring FFXIV back from the brink.

[Biggs]

Having a sense of entitlement just because we are paying for the game is the wrong way to go about it. I post so SE hears my ideas and those who agree with me. I don't post because I think I know best for the game, I just know what I would enjoy.

The only thing SE "Owes" us is to try the best they can to bring FFXIV back from the brink.

Come on man, thats really the one thing you felt obligated to pick out of all that and respond too? Thanks for making that the first response. I only meant that, because we have waited and stuck it out for so long without any real new content that advances the game, we have entrenched ourselves in it and invested in it so much that many of us have developed a small sense of entitlement to it. Because we still love it and we play it often, we come to think of some portion of it as ours. When I was in the army I used their equipment as I saw fit. It was really the Army's equipment ALL THE TIME, but because I used it everyday, and took care of it, and it took care of me, I developed a sense of entitlement to it. Thats all i meant; that I understand HOW that can happen, I wasn't judging it as right or wrong one way or the other.

Also, they make these types of games for players that pay. So in that sense it is OUR game, or we would all be playing something else. Its just as much yours as it is mine in terms of our relationship too it. I meant it in the way people mean it when they say, "that dude is my boy." Or "thats my dawg." I don't really believe I own it. Dick.

[Jynx]

I don't really believe I own it. Dick.

When you spend 2 paragraphs on a topic, especially when it's the first thing you talk about...Expect someone to reply to it.

As for the rest of the thread I guess I can respond to it as well here we go:

It's funny how you speak of how your "Entitlement" to your weapons and equipment in the army allowed you to use them as you seen fit (I'm assuming this is speaking of bending a few regulations and not doing everything exactly how you were told to) While I might not even consider this being "Entitled" more like being comfortable enough with your gear to know how you as a person can best operate your equipment that is esential to your own being...

Your example pokes a bunch of holes in your topics arguement. If LS leaders are "Entitled" and feel like shouting is the better way to find people rather than using the player search function are you not just doubling back on what you JUST SAID.

Players currently find the player search a needless part of finding people, we all know that currently few people use it or don't know they want a Ifrit/Moogle/Darkhold party until they hear "Hay Guys we are 6/8 wana come!?" In the same sense that shouting in Jueno/Whitegate was a good way to find people ontop of the player search system. Just because we have evolved a way to form parties that works outside the system doesn't mean it's wrong.

The player search system still exists and people DO use it, and people DO search it. The shouts are usually a extra layer on-top of the search to aquire members.

You might not notice it but how we act is how we feel comfortable playing the game, SE can add as many doo-dads and widgets they want but if the current community doesn't find them intuitive enough to use them then perhaps SE needs to tweak the system instead of you asking us to bend our habbits to a system we find needlessly cumbersome.

Was that a good enough 3rd post for you?

[Biggs]

When you spend 2 paragraphs on a topic, especially when it's the first thing you talk about...Expect someone to reply to it.

SE needs to tweak the system instead of you asking us to bend our habbits to a system we find needlessly cumbersome.


Was that a good enough 3rd post for you?

You blast me for mentioning entitlement and then make the above statement about what SE needs to do for you?
No one uses the search function on Kashuan. And I had stated that if we do feel comfortable shouting instead of using it, thats fine too. I understand that we do the things that we do in the game because they work best. But much of that developed along side the tools we had at our disposal. We didnt have the player search function up until this past month, so in response to that, we developed our own system. I totally understand that, just as I understand that whats happeneing on my server may not be happening everywhere, but it is my only frame of reference. I am not asking anyone here to change what works for them, rather, the point of the post, which you have chosen to miss in favor of semantics, is to remind us to be mindful in the coming months of what and how we do things as a community because it will shape said community in the future for good or for ill. If shouting becomes the favored method of party searching, so be it. But in that particular regard we have options now we didn't have before, and this frees us to make choices.

And no, none of your posts have been good because I was asking to hear hopes and ideas about the future, not have some F@%^tard pick two sentences out of a long post and have it become the entire topic of discussion. I mention entitlement one time in an otherwise long post, one which has me state IN THE POST the purpose and intent behind what I hope to discuss, and here you are, like the one relative on xmas everyone was hoping wouldn't show, asking why dinner isn't ready yet.

The last part of my post was just how I intend to set an example in my own way. I certainly don't claim it to be the best way or the only way. And while I hope to inspire people to do the same, I don't EXPECT them too. Trying to be positive in anyway seems to be an impossibily in this community, and I am begining to understand why positive threads are so rare on the English forums now.

[Jynx]

I was asking to hear hopes and ideas about the future, not have some ____ pick two sentences out of a long post and have it become the entire topic of discussion.

Why so mad?

I guess you don't like the fact that your entire post back-fired on you. Nobody is going to post their "Ideas for the future" here because that's what the ENTIRE board is for. Take a look at the first page of threads everyone has a thread about their ideas for the future and hopes, dreams, hates, dislikes and the such. Your post is redundant.

To be more on-topic of your post about the player search. If the player search was that amazing and intuitive that it was a better option than just plain shouting...people would start using it. Hell if everyone used the player search it would be a good system but even if it was in the game from day 1 the same problems would still exist.

People need to actually express their intent to do ____ content, 9/10 times people don't usually go that far to say they are ready and willing to do someting. Hell most my Stronghold parties and Ifrit runs come from my interest being piqued when I see a group almost ready to go and shouting for one of my jobs.

"Reminding us that what we do effects the future of the game"

I guess I might as well start telling people that breathing is what keeps them alive, the point is so obvious and known to all that it doesn't even need to be stated. Of course how we play the game will change how the community grows...guh your getting bent out of shape because you are grasping at a reason to even have a thread like this.

I hope and dream people will stop making redundant threads.

[Biggs]

To be more on-topic of your post about the player search. If the player search was that amazing and intuitive that it was a better option than just plain shouting...people would start using it. Hell if everyone used the player search it would be a good system but even if it was in the game from day 1 the same problems would still exist.



"Reminding us that what we do effects the future of the game"

I guess I might as well start telling people that breathing is what keeps them alive, the point is so obvious and known to all that it doesn't even need to be stated. Of course how we play the game will change how the community grows...guh your getting bent out of shape because you are grasping at a reason to even have a thread like this.

I hope and dream people will stop making redundant threads.

You state that the purpose the forums as a whole is to offer a place players can offer hopes and dreams openly. Yet when I go to use a portion of it to do just that for myself, here you are. It could easily be said that 99% of all the posts on here, including the ones you are making to me right now, are redundant, so don't go excusing yourself from the same boat everyone is on together. If you really hope and dream for less redundant threads than stop posting.
And one jackass responding to my op isn't enough to ruin it, its still there and strong, you only highlight the state at which I believe these forums are in now. It doesn't make me mad Jynx. If anything, you make me feel sad. That you would hope to jump in here with that intent in mind speaks volumes about what type of person you are. And in that respect I believe you have accomplished what you set out to do, so see your way out, I am done responding to you.

[Jynx]

I am done responding to you.

Good enough, my posts are redundant in a redundant thread. I never said I wasn't in the same boat but this thread doesn't serve much of a pupose that hasn't been stated allready.

You call me out for apparantly "Missing the point" and when I respond to the "Missed point" you skip over it because you don't seem to agree. It's lovely that people who don't align with your ideals are "Jackasses" I responded to your post and your all upset or "Not upset but sad" about it.

But I would like to know.

"Speaks volumes for the type of person you are" What kind of person would that be exactly? The kind of person who doesn't think the community needs someone telling them (Your doing it wrong guys! Exemplify as a ambasador of good in the world!)

If you think I'm something else I'd love to hear it.

Other than that I await for this amazing and innovative thread to garner tons of imformation.

*edit*
It's funny to note that without our little altercation here this thread would have allready fallen off the front page. So if anything my "Jackassery" has allowed more people to see your message than it would have without it.

Just something to think about. Any conversation in a thread is in a way "Good" for it.

[Colino]

Having a sense of entitlement just because we are paying for the game is the wrong way to go about it. I post so SE hears my ideas and those who agree with me. I don't post because I think I know best for the game, I just know what I would enjoy.

The only thing SE "Owes" us is to try the best they can to bring FFXIV back from the brink.

That's hardly the main point of his argument at all though. You should pay more attention to the rest of the post.

[weeble]

Having a sense of entitlement just because we are paying for the game is the wrong way to go about it. I post so SE hears my ideas and those who agree with me. I don't post because I think I know best for the game, I just know what I would enjoy.

The only thing SE "Owes" us is to try the best they can to bring FFXIV back from the brink.

this was probably what i wanted to reply about first too, also to add that everyone is still on the forums that still not paying. i think it's a full 30days or something b4 we are removed? by then half of them probably will try the dungeons on .21? either way ..past that

i agree at what you say in some of it, i think we need to create a new edicate in game, no leaving groups without warning or replacing, use the search function (though the search is still kinda useless, they should add a way to lfg while in party still for one thing) also linkshells right now are a joke to me, everyone is running them like ffxi linkshells but there is 0 full linkshell endgame. this type of shells are really how guilds work in other games where your all puging endgame inside your own shell only. and leaders make you only run with your linkshell even though it's obvious there isn't room for everyone in every run ...derp 8man dungeons.. less you only running 8man linkshells. lots of problems with this game and how it is being run but most of them will disapear soon as a real population is on the servers and ps3 launches an real endgame type stuff starts coming out.

as for baby'ing new players, i think new players just need to gather together just as we did. they need to take the same time it took everyone else to get where they are going. i say just stop taking lowbies into a full 50linkshell and all is well. someone will lead them all, is better then them being scattered threw linkshells, it's like people who play 10hrs a day being scattered into 40shells with casuals, they would of been better off in one ls(like hnmls in ffxi lol).

when it comes to gear in wards i kinda agree but it's not really new players buying them ...i mean how many new players come into the game really. it's just people that how you say ...feel entitled to cheap stuff. most players can afford it right now, it's just that the low pop keeps these prices high ...it's not like in other mmo's this is happening. it's a problem with empty servers. it should be fixed by merging. most games start off high in price and goes down, in this game it's just not going down cause no one crafting them ...u can spend your days making them for lowbies but really it's a bit much to ask of peoples time. that's my opinion though. in ffxi one of the only few rules in linkshell was no begging for gils in linkshell lol, and that included crafts. no one really ask for things like they do in this game(other then abjurations and stuff), though it has slowed down a lot since launch when it was empty wards and needed to ask people. if you can't afford arrows you shouldn't be a archer, sounds stupid but that is how i think of it in this game.

last thoughts are in ffxi ...i did 99% of my party grinds with different people in every party. 700days of game play, 8 rank 75's all different people. not statics, not just linkshell people, almost never linkshell players actually. lots of people of other languages as well on top of that. with ease of population, of search function, and people just rolled like that in that game, it wasn't all being done in linkshell. in warhammer after it's first year the game died, and all of sudden nothing was done shouting, you could shout and get a dungeon in 5mins going first year then never again after that, it became hoping you were part of the 6people of the 8-11 that can run it and were active(or leaving to find a new guild that hopefully had room for you). and that type of stuff don't cut it and it's exactly what is happened to ffxiv. and it's not worth paying for.

also while i think you guys might start trends in the next year of playing ...i think the mass flood of players at 2.0 might change everything you do if it don't fit the game at 2.0. like vent for all endgame, people will just flood to the ps3 run shells and over power in any endgame that has competition in it(that is if people dont' want vent...example). but the things you do create as you said i hope are for the good of the game and all it's player base not just the few. and even though i'm usually always in the few category i can't stand being around a game that pans out horribly community wise. i quit b4 even entering moggle fight, and i blame the community and i blame the population and how linkshells are being run. this game won't stand a chance if you guys keep at it the way you are but i blame the population ..it just gives less people more power to run it very badly.