Lack of End Game Content

[Kaylessa]

Dammit, missed being the first to post on page 100

[Adventica6]

I'll try a different slope. if the game doesn't have enough content for you then why are you subbed ? the game has more content than most mmos put together, are all your crafters/ gatherers maxed ? have every relic weapon ? didn't think so.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.
- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.
- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.
- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.
- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.
- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Will I attempt this time to do Ultimate content if it was released by 5.11 and I'm still subbed? Absolutely.

You could have started and stopped on Your Data Center. You could have gotten away with the fact your handicapped by your ping...
But Everything else is just an excuse to rationalize not doing it...

[Kaylessa]

I'll try a different slope. if the game doesn't have enough content for you then why are you subbed ? the game has more content than most mmos put together, are all your crafters/ gatherers maxed ? have every relic weapon ? didn't think so.

The thread is about the lack of max level content, not content in general. You keep wanting to talk about things unrelated to the topic.

Pick up a single player RPG with optional classes and you can complete the game without playing every class. If you have OCD then you can complete the game on every class if you wish, but it's not essential. Same with FFXIV, you can reach endgame without completing every job. The idea that you must be a completionist with OCD and complete every single achievement in the game before you can ask for more max level content is nonsensical, there is no logical link between the two.

[MonteCristo]

The thread is about the lack of max level content, not content in general. You keep wanting to talk about things unrelated to the topic.

Pick up a single player RPG with optional classes and you can complete the game without playing every class. If you have OCD then you can complete the game on every class if you wish, but it's not essential. Same with FFXIV, you can reach endgame without completing every job. The idea that you must be a completionist with OCD and complete every single achievement in the game before you can ask for more max level content is nonsensical, there is no logical link between the two.

Thank you.....

[Windwalker]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

Well, theres always hunts for 80 players, weekly raids, extremes. If your done with it, pickup another job and level. Thats what most do in FFXIV. I have all my combat jobs at 70 and i still have alot to do. Theres also crafting, gathering and housing or a ton of stuff in the gold saucer, like chocobo races. The real end game is getting every job to 80 including crafting and gathering, minus Blue mage that can only reach 50. If your done with that, then im not sure what else to do lol.

Just something to note, FFXIV does not only focus on a single job, you have many to work your way trough. Also, Square takes great care in making raids and dungeons, its better to have quality over quantity.

[linay]

We already asked for our content many times over, but the casuals came in here intensely fighting against us getting anything new. Telling us to leave this game and go to WoW if we want raiding. Telling us we shouldn't try to ask for content that is enjoyable to us, because this game is a casual paradise(ignoring the fact they changed it to be so by complaining until they got their way.) Bragging about their victory in telling us just how much content they have but still being unwilling to give us anything. What does it have to do with me? It intensely frustrating for me because of the reason stated in the previous sentence. I don't believe it would hurt them to allow us a bone.

It looks to me like people are simply arguing about what it means by a "lack of endgame content." It is unfortunate, but if the thread starter had just framed the thread to be about asking for more difficult PVE content, it might have reduced some of the "unwanted" response. But when you simply say there is nothing to do and then ask if others feel the same way, then people are free to disagree and give their own opinion about what there is to do.

And sorry but, by and large the majority of raiders want to raid. These other types of content are at the least, not their primary interest and in fact likely they have no interest in them whatsoever.

I didn't say otherwise.

[Kaylessa]

It looks to me like people are simply arguing about what it means by a "lack of endgame content." It is unfortunate, but if the thread starter had just framed the thread to be about asking for more difficult PVE content, it might have reduced some of the "unwanted" response. But when you simply say there is nothing to do and then ask if others feel the same way, then people are free to disagree and give their own opinion about what there is to do.

He defines endgame in his first post as content for max level players, which while a bit ambiguous tends to frame the discussion. He then continued to talk about max level content some more. The title literally has endgame in it, which has a specific meaning in the mmo community. If people don't read or want to try and dismiss the argument by talking about something completely different that's not the OP's problem.

[linay]

He defines endgame in his first post as content for max level players, which while a bit ambiguous tends to frame the discussion. He then continued to talk about max level content some more. The title literally has endgame in it, which has a specific meaning in the mmo community. If people don't read or want to try and dismiss the argument by talking about something completely different that's not the OP's problem.

Endgame content is anything at max level, and he asked if people are satisfied and have enough things to do at max level. Things like expert roulette fits that definition for this game. And as has been established, everything is related, so anything that feeds into doing more max level content on a single character is a valid response as part of keeping people busy after reaching level cap on that character.

[Kaylessa]

Endgame content is anything at max level, and he asked if people are satisfied and have enough things to do at max level. Things like expert roulette fits that definition for this game. And as has been established, everything is related, so anything that feeds into doing more max level content on a single character is a valid response as part of keeping people busy after reaching level cap on that character.

Anything that feeds into doing more max level content is not max level content and therefore is not part of the question. What is being asked is for more content once you reach max level, not for more content to unlock max level content. Therefore it's invalid as a response and doesn't address the question.